Targa 29 - advice re sea keeping please.

[Bajansailor]

Re sea keeping being a fairly important priority (and it should be), have you considered a semi displacement hull form like the Seawards and the Aquastars?
Although they do tend to be rather expensive, especially in relation to the amount of accomodation and length.

 

[Gemini]

I had a T28 that had been re-engined with KAD 32 8GPH.
WOT 37Knots Handling was excellant handled F5 and was cable of crusing in those conditions 19-20Knots, normal crusing 24-28K .
The comment light on the front is corrrect in heavy weather, but by moving your heavry contents up front ( Beer Wine ) problem solved.
Great Hull & build quality, very usable space, if you need more info PM me.

 

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anne - What was your verdict of the S28?

 

[breezer5012]

My verdict on the S28 ....... Apologies if this sounds girlie - my job is to look at space, storage and looks, while Paul does the science bit! The S28 we saw was in great condition aesthetically, but just didn't feel significantly more roomy than ours. I know logically it is, but I just wasn't as impressed with the space as I thought I'd be. I really want to move away from the bed with no head room which we have to crawl over each other to get in and out of arrangement if possible. The Targa 29 made a much more positive impression, although still is smaller than I'd hoped for and still had the crawl into and out of bed , or the drop the table to go to bed arrangement. By looking around at other makes at the same price I should get an idea of whether or not my expectations are realistic. Perhaps I'm being coloured by the fact that during our weeks holiday on Nuffink Dubhing (our S23), the smallest boat we were berthed along side was 42 ft (the largest was a £6,000,000 Sunseeker in Poole /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif) - maybe my expectations are unrealistic as a result!

I think the plan at the moment is to look at older boats to see what our money can get us there and then decide about the Targa, taking into account science and asthetics. There is a Princess 286 Riviera locally that we want to look at as well as a Cranchi Zaffero (if and when the broker decides to respond to my email re whether or not she is still for sale). There is a Regal (sorry - don't know what type without looking it up and I'm tired and slightly socially confused after a night out!) in North Wales too that has our interest. We are starting to think flybridge and marina berthing rather than dry berthing.

I guess we'll not be able to decide until we've seen a variety of possibilities within our price range. We've had 2 boats to date, neither of which have kept up with our increasing requirements as we get more and more experienced and enthusiastic. We want to do our best to ensure that this next boat will do what we want her to so will take our time.

It's great to be able to come on here and canvas opinion.

 

[breezer5012]

We've noted the comments about the nose of the Targa being light - good to know some strategic packing can help to overcome this. A light boat has the benefit for us of continuing to dry berth (there is a 5 ton limit) but of course we comprimise on sea keeping. Hence taking into consideration older heavier boats and marina berthing.

The Targa we looked at has the AQAD 150s, not the KAD 32s. I'd be interested in what people mean when they say this is underpowered. The owner says she is slightly slower to get on the plane but goes up easily enough. If that is all it is, it doesn't bother us and cruising at 20 knots is fine for us.

 

[Sneds]

Our boat has 2 x AD31 150HP diesels, she doesn't get up on the plane as quick as my mate's twin petrol V6s but she does get up in about 6-8 seconds, maybe 10 depending on how much assorted crap is on board, just got back from a week away and I reckon the weight of the stuff we carried around with us was equal to two large people!
BTW the planing time quoted is without using the tabs but with the legs trimmed in!
This is our third boat in 5 years, 16 ft then 21ft now 28ft as they get bigger you start to expect and want more from it.
The current boat is a palace compared to the first one, but a bit small when parked next to a flybridge, guess whats coming next? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
When will I win the lottery?

 

[Nautorius]

Hi Anne,

The Fairline 28/29 and 30 Targas were great boats and a good layout. You will definitely feel safer in one!

However going bigger and older would have major advantages. Think of Sealine S34 and Zaffiro 34. Also think of the Older Fairline 31 Targas which are big and brash!

The problem with older boats is she will need more TLC, cost more to moor and due to weight will cost more to run....but at least you will use her!

Alternatively look at Scandanavian.......but they are much more expensive! The beauty of my Aquador 23HT was we went out in seas our Regal 2860 was scared of! I understand that if I have another cruising boat it has to be all weather. The hull has to be good and the engines decent. First on my list would be a Zaffiro 34...they are awesome!

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Wiggo]

Oh dear, I sense scope creep. So that 6' step from a 23 to a 29 footer has now extended to pontoon berths and flybridges. Well there went the budget...

Focus on what's important. It sounds like two things - personal comfort (headroom, acrobatics getting into bed etc) and being able to use her more (no-one goes out in a F5 just because they can, so it's about having to cancel fewer days out).

Both of those get addressed by a bigger boat, but there are ways and means. Jimmy the Builder has a beautiful Princess 42 for sale that you'd love, but at a price!

Anything you look at that is close to a sensible price will have a midships berth tucked under the cockpit somewhere, and will always have limited headroom, so unless you want to have to convert the saloon seating every night, you need to look at a boat with a separate forward cabin.

This gets you into different territory, and you will find much better headroom over the bed. The boats will be either offset berths or centreline berths. Offset means one of you will have to climb over the other a bit, but they take up less room.

Others will add to this list, I'm sure, but try:

Sealine S34, S37
Fairline Targa 33 Tricab, Targa 34

I also confess to having a bit of a weakness for Corvettes. It's a totally different boating experience, but you'll get an aft cabin with a big bed and plenty of headroom and a very light airy saloon, plus the deck space upstairs. There's one in Ireland for £55k, FWIW. http://boatsforsale.ybw.com/Boats/show/id/19744/searchId

 

[breezer5012]

Paul, you've hit the nail on the head when you say at least we'll use a bigger boat. I realised on holiday that at present we are paying a lot of money in mortgage and dry stacking fees for a boat we can't use very often, purely because of weather. We have 2 choices therefore - give up or spend more on a bigger boat that at least we can get use out of and cross the channel in. Giving up isn't an option - I'm absolutely hooked on boating and it is what Paul and I do together. So bigger boat it is.

Still waiting to hear back from the broker about the Cranchi. There is only an email contact given for the broker, but no response to an email sent on Friday. A bit frustrating!

 

[breezer5012]

Hello Graham! Shame we didn't cross paths the last couple of weeks.

The goal posts are inevitably moving, not definately, but we are trying to widen the possibilities. As the boat size increases however, we are trying to protect the budget by going older. The mortgage repayments are not the issue, but finding the deposit is!

I'll have a look at the other models you suggest. You've summarised our spec really well - the only thing I missed out is that we are hooked on the open to the elements experience (just with slightly less sea water to swallow than we had in a Force 4 - 5 between Haslar and Lymington last Tuesday!), so hard tops are not on the list. Thanks for looking out the Corvette though - she looks lovely.

 

[Wiggo]

yes, shame about the holiday weather. Re the flybridge bit, we we're always violently anti "patio doors" until we bought one. Now we'd never go back. The only time I've ever driven from downstairs was on the YM stuff, and once when we broke a throttle cable upstairs, so we are always wind in the face.

I guess the difference for us is that we're 55 miles from the boat so we use it like a cottage as well. We go out in some fair old crap, but if it's just too bad, then we have plenty of living space to hide in for the day.

Sealine Ambassador 330 - http://boatsforsale.ybw.com/Boats/show/id/19032/searchId

Fairline Targe 33 - http://boatsforsale.ybw.com/Boats/show/id/19073/searchId

 

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The Zaffiro 34 is an amazing boat that I aspire to own some day. I skipper one a bit and it's just amazing (Although the factory canopy covers are [--word removed--]) but Anne mentions a budget of £50k - Where the heck can you get a Zaffiro 34 for £50k??

 

[breezer5012]

We've found one for a little over budget. We can get there if the boat is absolutely right.

 

[Whitelighter]

Anne,

GHave a serious look at the Bavaria BMB 300 Sport. There are a few 2001 boats around at the moment for just a fraction over your stated budget and I am sure they could be haggled down.

The reasons to look at these are an excellent cockpiy and good seakeeping, but they have a really roomy aft cabin, with its own little seat and everything. they are basically the same as the later 32 sport and while they dont have a seperate cabin up front, it is a permanent berth with a seperate saloon seat unlike the Targa 28/29/30 or the S28.

I'm not saying thats better - just different.

Here are some pics to give you an idea:

These are excellent boats, with a really good flexible cockpit, full covers with grp arch and a nice wood interior. you wont find high gloss cherry down there, but more practicle matt teak. Still, I liked it and they are tough boats

 

[Whitelighter]

There are a couple advertised on line (one with fairline Southampton and one at another broker who seems to do mainly larger stuff but i forget the name) for Around the £60k mark.

Both are sold however, and the rest seem to be up at closer to £80-£90k so I dont know if the one Anne has seen will be available.

I know the Fairline boat sold for around £56k.

 

[enterprise]

Hi Anne,
We have just done the same as you are thinking of doing, swaped a Sealine 240 for a Targa 28.

Just done our first season with the T28, what a difference it's been to the sealine 240 we used to have.

First a few differences that you will appreciate, the aft berth feels very much like a cabin & not a cupboard, true for both the T28 & S28, both have a crawl in arangement but not in the same way as the s23/s24.
The extra beam & length make a very usable boat for socialising, you can have friends aboard without triping over them & you will definitley use it more often in weather/ sea state which the s23 would be left in the marina.

The T29 has a very good reputation which is reflected in it's price, you will be hard pressed to find one with Kad 32's for £50k & I would check the build date as a 2001 I would think either wrong or rare as the T30 which replaced the T29 was built from 2000.
You will find an s28 for your budget with Kad 32's but you may need to haggle a bit, but there are plenty out there.

I know of a T29 for sale, blue hull, twin ad31's, motivated seller
Send a PM for further info.

 

[jfm]

"I would check the build date "

Good advice imho. Anne it's worthwhile asking the broker for the boat's HIN before making a visit. It will be something like

GBFLN 12345 G102

GBFLN is GB and Fairline. 12345 is fairline's serial number. G1 means the hull was moulded in July (G=7th letter alphabet) 2001. 02 is model year, 2002.

The HIN is usaully moulded into the GRP on the transom and in a Fairline, in a plate in the floor of one of the wardrobes under the carpet. It will be in all the boat's documents too. So they can't exactly keep it a secret.

Both Deleted User and I have benefitted from this. In mike's case the boat was a year older than they said so he got a price chip. I was offered a "new" jetrib and the HIN told me it was a 2004 which saved me a wasted long drive to collect it