Taff Coppers shot themselves in foot - non-boaty

I agree with hOO. All competitors are given full details of speed limits etc so those that exceeded it have only themselves to blame. This has happened before so what's the great problem now ?
Where do you draw the line anyway ? Do you let the competitors drive as fast as they like, but stop the followers doing likewise - hardly fair. Alternatively if the stages are organised so that there is very little time for people to get from one to the other then the schedule should be changed or else discussions should be had with the police.
I also agree with a previous poster that playing the injured/killed child card is overdone. Let's say it was an adult - what's the difference ? It would still be a tragedy that could have been avoided if people had not acted irresponsibly.
Finally the thought that for economic reasons one should bend the law is a very dangerous path to follow as it is open to all sorts of interpretation.
Finally, finally, I ask that Kim should bin this whole thing as the word Taff is racist !!! Being a proud (post RWC performances) Welshman I am deeply offended by the use of that word, so there buoyo !! - has to be nautical somewhere. Suppose I'll have to support England for their last game this weekend/forums/images/icons/wink.gif


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Last England game!

Definitely not their last game - whatever the outcome.

As a proud Taffy you must surely remember a good few years ago Wales lost a semi final and went on to win the third place play off (their best ever result!).

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surely you won't gain service time 'cos you won't be able to sign in until your due time? Now if the organisers have set tight times for the road sections........but in that case everyone would be dashing about and getting nicked.
Whatever - can't condone it ( the drivers) and the police claim the section of road is a blackspot so I'm with the cops on this. If anything I am sort of sorry for the Chief C as he seems to have ended up in a no win.

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Agree to disagree on this one, then.
Thank you for your support against Les Frogs. Either way, it wont be the last game as there's a 3rd/4th play off game. Any chance of some of your lot finding an English grannie for Sunday?

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Duncan, I used to take part in many of these events, and the amount of illegal servicing that went on in lay-byes & hidden areas by the teams that could afford chase cars etc, was quite incredible. Not so sure about nowadays though.
If the Police, in this case did indeed sneak cameras onto the route, without prior consultation with the event organisers, then they were indeed out of order and should most definitely be taken to task over it. An event of this calibre would have had intensive discussions with all interested bodies months prior to the vent taking place. Indeed the route would not even have been laid down in the first place, without these discussions having been held.

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Re: Last England game!

OOps, yes of course !! I'd forgotten about the "playoffs"- humble apologies. I don't remember the time Wales came came 3rd as I'm locked into the glory days of Edwards, John, JPR,JJ,Derek Quinnell, and the Pontypool Front Row. We also of course had the added delights of quagmire pitches and slippery, heavy leather balls - Sounds like a STD. Aahh, such memories ( of a sad old fart )/forums/images/icons/blush.gif


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Re: Last England game!

oh what happy memories. Don't forget Merv the Swerve, Phil Bennett, etc etc

(another old fart)

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Re: Spelling

Coming from someone who pretends that his 3000th post was written by a dog! you are in no position to comment on anything, never mind how Wales play rugby :)

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Lot of opinions on here - some sound and some the usual rubbish that speed cameras seem to evoke. Some points that are, perhaps, relevant to some of the comments made:

The article makes no reference as to whether or not the Police consulted with the organisers but many seem to assume they didn't (perhaps that theory suits their point of view). The points about drivers being fully briefed are very relevant - they made their choice and got caught out.

Most Police Forces dedicate less than around 10% of their staff to traffic policing.

Statistically, speed is the biggest cause of accidents.

Speeding and other traffic offences seem to ba socially acceptable for some bizarre reason, despite the fact that the average person is more likely to be killed or injured in a road crash than to be murdered or assaulted

Detection rates for burglary are low but they are dificult crime to detect - the overall detection rate takes no account of traffic offences and relates only to real crimes.

Speed cameras do moderate driver behaviour - concern about being zapped makes me a lot more conscious about speed that I used to be.

Everyone thinks they are a really good driver - reality is that most aren't very good and certainly are not as good as they think. There is certainly not much appreciation about what can happen at speed when things go wrong.

I could go on but have probably already upset enough of the previous posters - perhaps many people just like the sensation of speed, do not think about the potential consequences and simply do not like being told what they can and can't do...

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This comment <Statistically, speed is the biggest cause of accidents.> is the sort of pretentious rubbish sprouted by people who either do not understand the rubbish behind which government statistics shelter today, or are members of the control freak fraternity who are trying hard to ruin our lives today.

Do you not understand the enormous damage that has been done to police/civilian relationships because of the insistence that it is speed which is the killer on roads, and thus spawned this environment where 1mph over the limit is a hanging offence. This has lead to a culture that mainly sees the police as the enemy to be beaten

IMHO there are a lot of places where 30mph is too fast (e.g. outside schools at times when kids are coming in and out. Similarly driving at 75mph on the motorway is nowhere near as dangerous as those *********** who sit in the outside lane at less than the speed that the people behind want to travel, and will not move over.

What is not understood by these morons is that it is Inappropriate speed which kills.

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As someone wrote inappropriate speed, not speeding itself that causes a problem ,as 70mph on the motorway in thick fog is too fast, but not classified as speeding.
As for burglary detection rates, it would probably help if the police bothered to do anything about it. after seeing a break-in near where I used to work, police caught the people told them to put the stuff back and let them go it as it wasn't worth the bother to charge them as the courts just let them go.

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Not sure whether I am a moron or a member of the control freak fraternity, hadn't really considered that I was either but rather someone who thinks that too many people are needlessly killed or injured on our roads. Whilst, personally, I am no great fan of speed cameras I do see the real rationale behind them - trying to reduce accidents (but it is perhaps much easier to believe the view that it is about revenue generation).

The police as the enemy to be beaten? Untill the car is stolen, someones grandmother conned out of her savings, or someones child is knocked down by a speeding motorist..perhaps then there is a different view?

As for people driving at 70mph in the outside lane being a danger, whilst they should clearly move to the left as soon as possible the danger could perhaps be soemthing to do with the impatience of the speeding mototrist in being reluctant to slow down or driving too close...?



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I think much of the problem lies behind much reduced speed limits then being almost immediately policed with cameras. A road a few miles away from where I live was unrestricted ie 60mph for about a 10 mile section. Overnight the limit was changed to 30 and 40 mph sections. Now I don't think a 50% reduction is reasonable, don't know if it's being policed with cameras yet, but no doubt it soon will be.

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Barking Wrong tree again

No! No! No! Inappropriate speed is bad driving.

As has been pointed out by many other forum posters, we all agree that say in front of a school or even in any built up areas children/pedestrians will be at risk and you should drive at the speed to suit the circumstances. Your comments regarding tail gating etc. etc. are absolutely 100% correct but this is BAD driving & should be punished. Nothing whatsoever to do with argument

I am afraid that like many others you have been taken in by the crap that is dished out by the authorities regarding speed cameras. I don’t think anyone has said that the police are the enemy, most people do not have any feeling one way or the other for the police but in general we all agree they are doing a difficult job in difficult circumstances. But when they are lead by chief constables who only look at the balance sheet which of course includes Motoring offences, is it any wonder that the general public, most of whom drive, are basically sick & tired of being turned into criminals just because they use their judgment & go at a speed that is appropriate, but maybe faster than the set speed limit.

Where did you get your figure of 10% used for traffic policing? Even if its correct that is a lot of resource that could be used to catch muggers etc. Policing the roads can easily be done by cameras to catch bad driving.

If a political party stood up & said that they were doing away with all inappropriate speed limits & mobile speed cameras were to be banned, they would be a shoe in to government. What does that say about the policy of using cameras for speeding????

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Re: Barking Wrong tree again

I agree that inapproriate speed is probably the greater cause of accidents than speed per se (although the latter does make an accident more likely) but of course you only have to observe our roads to see that people are not as discerning about thier driving behaviour as your argument would suggest. People routinely break 30mph limits in built up areas as well as blatting down the motorway at 90mph. I would also re-iterate my point about peoples driving - most really are not as good as they think and aren't able to react appropriately when an emergency occurs (see what happens on a motorway when there is a shunt - everone is driving too close to the car in front and can't stop in time - I know you will say this is inappropriate speed/driving but the point is that many people who speed do so inappropriately).

It is relevant to point out that Chief Constables are not measured on the number of people prosecuted for traffic offences but they are measured on the number of people killed or seriously (KSI) injured in traffic accidents - they have targets to reduce the levels of people KSI so it is clearly in thier interests to use tactics that work.

I think it entirely appropriate that the police put resources into policing our roads - without rules and some means of enforcing them there would be chaos. Why are we less concerned about the possibilty of ourselves or our loved ones being killed or injured in a car than we are about the car or house being broken into?

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Listen my friend, In our village there is a junior school which children have to cross the road to get to, there have been two accidents and I and others have campaigned for years for a pedesrian crossing. We were told that it was not the policy to put in place a new one, due to cost, until there was a fatality. I took my daughter to school one morning and she missed death by inches .. not by a speeding motorist but by an idiot.
On the other hand speed cameras are going up wherever there is an opportunity of travelling at a reasonable speed .. and where there never has been an accident. This is why I am totally cynical about the rationale for their existence.

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