Symbol 58 on flea bay. Lot of boat for the money

It's an Edership, Symbol 58 is the model, you're right it is a LOT of boat for the dosh, this is it's third listing on fleabay. Go on you know you want to:rolleyes:

It's a Taiwanese yard and nicely built, looked at a much more expensive one last year.
 
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davids0865 said:
On looking again, you may just want to ask Alf about the DD's, 500hp out of 6v71's sounds like quite a lot.
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6/71 was never delivered at 500 HP rating .... 485 was max .... and stretched a reliable lump ... At 485, you need to count on re-builds somewhere between 1000 and 1500 hrs, if she's run high >1850 RPM...

Not saying you cannot blow the 6/71 higher than 485 ... but even the 6V71's were not delivered much above 450 (6V71's were not considered as reliable as the in-line ones despite having same cylinder volumes)..... In-line 6/71's are very good up to 410 .... good up to 450 *if not run too hard .... and less reliable at 485... Run them all at good operating temperatures and around 12 - 1500 RPM and they will last 20K hours...
 
There was a website titled Symbol Yachts - Buyer Beware on the internet until recently. I guess it's been taken down either because of the threat of legal action or the owner was eventually compensated. Anyway, the website was put up by a very disgruntled Aussie buyer who had bought a Symbol and then found that the local dealer and Symbol themselves washed their hands of the many problems the buyer had experienced. I seem to remember that the dealer went into liquidation in order to avoid liability for the problems. Symbol is yet another of those Taiwanese builders selling trawleresque mobos into the US market http://www.symbolyachts.com. I suspect this 58 advertised is a case of caveat emptor and I'm not sure its worth even the starting bid
 
Thanks for that mike.
I'm more impressed with you chaps (all of you) encyclopaedic knowledge of all things floaty every day :)

Any way, after looking at that sea ranger on another thread, which i think looks the dogs, are there any other small boat building companies that i should take a look at.... As i probably have not heard of most of them ?
 
Robg71 said:
Any way, after looking at that sea ranger on another thread, which i think looks the dogs, are there any other small boat building companies that i should take a look at.... As i probably have not heard of most of them ?
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Robg71, I think you have to be more specific about what you are looking for in terms of the size of the boat, what you want to do with it (ie coastal/offshore and/or inland waterway), how many berths you need and sorry to raise the subject but what sort of budget you have:eek:
 
Yes agreed with all the above.
Tbh, depending what i buy would also depend on how i use it. If for example, i bought anothe sunseeker, or similar open cruiser, it would be parked in one marina, and used as intended, as i do now. If i bought a more capable sea boat, that could do low 20 knots, not be worried by rough seas, (ok, reasonable rough) then its use would be very different, as i would be off.... Loaded up, and gone... Round the uk, west coast of scotland, across the north sea to Norway.
I need to make my mind up, and its all one big juggling act, between useage, cost to buy, cost to run, and maintain. Size.
My minimum i am looking for is two permanent cabins. Without access issues like climbing over the aft cabin to get on. Which drives me mad :) budget is critical. We all like a bargain, and I dont mind doing up an old boat if it save me a bucket full of cash up front. The process of doing it up means i get a lot out of it, from personal touchs to knowing how its all screwed together as well. Tops i would be 200k
 
Haha yes I'm sure Bart. Must be the helium and short term memory loss.
I have read both of the posts, but am definitely not looking for a sixty plus footer....

Unless its free to good home of course :)
I am in no rush, and it occupies the time whilst locked up at work.
 
Would something like that be happy going across the north sea. What sort of fuel burn are you looking at, at cruising speed, and at say ten knots plodding.. I am guessing that most boats of that size weight etc would burn similar
 
Robg71 said:
If i bought a more capable sea boat, that could do low 20 knots, not be worried by rough seas, (ok, reasonable rough) then its use would be very different, as i would be off.... Loaded up, and gone... Round the uk, west coast of scotland, across the north sea to Norway.
I need to make my mind up, and its all one big juggling act, between useage, cost to buy, cost to run, and maintain. Size.
My minimum i am looking for is two permanent cabins. Without access issues like climbing over the aft cabin to get on. Which drives me mad :) budget is critical. We all like a bargain, and I dont mind doing up an old boat if it save me a bucket full of cash up front. The process of doing it up means i get a lot out of it, from personal touchs to knowing how its all screwed together as well. Tops i would be 200k
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Round the UK to Norway at 20kts and with rough water capability for £200k is a big ask. If you're serious about that, then you're looking at a limited number of boats. The Grand Banks 42 mentioned on the other thread would be a good boat for that kind of boating because its a good all weather boat and you could cruise it comfortably at slow speed in marginal conditions whereas a typical 'gin palace' type planing boat would be uncomfortable in the same conditions. However, cruising a GB42 at 15-20kts would be very expensive on fuel. A similarly good sea boat would be anything made by Aquastar like this http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1994/Aquastar-Nelson-46--2426644/Germany#.UXbmDr-VfcZ or a Nelson like these http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1991/Nelson-45-2459368/United-Kingdom#.UXbmq7-VfcZ and http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1987/Nelson-45-Aft-Cabin-1583075/United-Kingdom#.UXbmfb-VfcY or Halmatic http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1988/Halmatic-Talisman-49-2516268/United-Kingdom#.UXbnDb-VfcY or Weymouth http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1987/Weymouth-51-2209355/United-Kingdom#.UXbnU7-VfcY
 
Would you put the searanger in the same category.
Unfortunate that i dont have the years of small boat knowlege that you chaps have. But i did think that getting stuck in the middle of the north sea may not be a good idea on a med style cruiser.
Cheers Mike

Regards
Rob
 
Robg71 said:
Would you put the searanger in the same category.
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Thats a good question. Its certainly designed and marketed as a rufty tufty sea boat and reports confirm that. IMHO it would be a better boat in marginal sea conditions than the average planing boat. However speaking personally, if I found myself in the middle of the North Sea with half a gale blowing, I'd still want to be in something heavy with a big keel like the GB. One make I forgot to mention is Hardy eg http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2002/Hardy-Commodore-36-2579768/United-Kingdom#.UXbuJ7-VfcY
 
Robg71 said:
Would something like that be happy going across the north sea. What sort of fuel burn are you looking at, at cruising speed, and at say ten knots plodding.. I am guessing that most boats of that size weight etc would burn similar
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No tongue in cheek this time, these will take you to Norway without any problem. Used ones are out there within your budget.

http://www.elling-yachting.com/
 
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