SYH to infil up to Loom Pit.

[sailorman]

That and Felixstowe Dock is the cause of much misery too. The lanes are much too narrow and there are only two in each direction. There is definitely more room on the river than over it. As a lad I would only see barges making their way on the river. Obviously there were bigger boats but they had no personality. Felixstowe Dock was actually known as Walton and Felixstowe was down closer to the Deben. The village/Hamlet known as Orwell was about two miles off shore. Peter Scott the naturalist skippered an MTB out of the dock basin at Walton/Felixstowe and gunnery practise and flying boats such as Sunderlands were common.

My uncle used to service those MTBs & RAF rescue boats .
I know that they Whoooooooooosh over there days
I believe the Orwell Bridge has a lay-by with a phone box these daze too

 

[baffled9]

Sadly you are right but at least it is possible to slow down the rot as much as posible.

Treating rot with rot, perhaps?

 

[sailorman]

Treating rot with rot, perhaps?

HMS Amethyst is what is needed

 

[baffled9]

HMS Amethyst is what is needed

Certainly qualifies as a boat with 'personality'.....

 

[Mel]

The end of Ipswich as we remember

Sadly you are right but at least it is possible to slow down the rot as much as posible.

Yet again we have somebody who wants to stop change !!

The ROT as it is referred to started when the dinosaurs left the area and humans started to interfere

History shows us that this area has always been subject to significant change, which century do you wish to go back to ?

The dredging of the River Orwell earlier known as the Gipping started after the Royal Commissioners met in 1805 - perhaps we should revert to pre-1800's and then we would have a really dead town of Ipswich probably the size of Woodbridge. That would possibly mean no big football club at Ipswich so a real improvement there !

So what is best for mankind -- to stop still or change !!

 

[toyboy]

My uncle used to service those MTBs & RAF rescue boats .
I know that they Whoooooooooosh over there days
I believe the Orwell Bridge has a lay-by with a phone box these daze too

I can remember the MTB's and just how free and easy it was then. I could stand on the quay side and look into them as they left on patrol. The wooooosh I remember was the guns firing at targets being towed by MTB's along the horizon and I heard the old tale of the skipper who pointed out to the gunners that he was towing and not pushing the target. The telephone on the Orwell Bridge unfortunately was installed for Samaritans:-( There is an irony there in that there is a notice forbidding the throwing off the bridge of anything and that is the spot people usually place flower for poor sods who have thrown themselves off the bridge :-(

 

[toyboy]

HMS Amethyst is what is needed

Harwich and the Orwell was a major anchorage for large naval ships just after the war. I remember seeing them as I went down the Orwell but of course I was much too young to recognise the significance of them and previously the planes buzzing around over head. I remember the sky being black with large plane towing gliders but there again at the time I never knew what it was all about.

 

[toyboy]

Certainly qualifies as a boat with 'personality'.....

In Dovercourt bay there were a load of submarines moored up but I believe they may have been enemy boats that were surrendered. The Gypsy was sunk by a mine in Harwich harbour but I believe she was a collerier but I could be wrong on that.

 

[toyboy]

Yet again we have somebody who wants to stop change !!

The ROT as it is referred to started when the dinosaurs left the area and humans started to interfere

History shows us that this area has always been subject to significant change, which century do you wish to go back to ?

The dredging of the River Orwell earlier known as the Gipping started after the Royal Commissioners met in 1805 - perhaps we should revert to pre-1800's and then we would have a really dead town of Ipswich probably the size of Woodbridge. That would possibly mean no big football club at Ipswich so a real improvement there !

So what is best for mankind -- to stop still or change !!

As Ipswich has a very old road system there is a limit to possible expansion. I rarely venture into the ghetto during the day because IBC also hate cars. All they are interested in is cramming more and more residential buildings onto the flood plain which is why we now have more floods than before. The dock is virtually locked up now compared to what it used to be. There is so much happening around the dock and river it is obvious the plan is to build all along both banks of the river as far as Felixstowe and Shotley.

 

[sailorman]

As Ipswich has a very old road system there is a limit to possible expansion. I rarely venture into the ghetto during the day because IBC also hate cars. All they are interested in is cramming more and more residential buildings onto the flood plain which is why we now have more floods than before. The dock is virtually locked up now compared to what it used to be. There is so much happening around the dock and river it is obvious the plan is to build all along both banks of the river as far as Felixstowe and Shotley.

Heres another you should recognise
HMS Teazer

Did you ever go to the pictures in Harwich

 

[toyboy]

Heres another you should recognise
HMS Teazer

Did you ever go to the pictures in Harwich

Never The other side of the river folks were regarded as furriners and as lads it was not allowed for them to come our side of the river We went everywhere in canoes/kayacs and an old boat we had as Sea Scouts. Amazingly we used to leave it on the river without any harm coming to it until much later when more people started using the river for leisure. They were wonderful days when we spent the summer camped at Hallow Tree and only went home while doing our paper rounds. That was when we all ran foul of old man Stennett who reckoned the river bed belonged to him and even called it Stennetts Marshes. His son Mark is a much more pleasant chap and is a director of SYH. He probably doesn't remember the fly ash dumping from Levington Creek towards the area covered by the marina. I remember seeing them digging out the marina but I never realised what was going on at the time as I was traveling the world working then and didn't visit much.

 

[sailorman]

So you never saw her steaming up & down the Orwell & Stour then in around 1957

 

[Stork_III]

In Dovercourt bay there were a load of submarines moored up but I believe they may have been enemy boats that were surrendered. The Gypsy was sunk by a mine in Harwich harbour but I believe she was a collerier but I could be wrong on that.

In 1919 there were a total of 150 U Boats moored in the Stour, before being sold off for scrap. I read somewhere, Imray electronic chart with wreck info layer I think, that 3 remained at Erwarton Ness eventually being broken up in situ, with the keels of at least 1 remaining. Is this the reason for the SCM at Erwarton Ness?

 

[Leighb]

In Dovercourt bay there were a load of submarines moored up but I believe they may have been enemy boats that were surrendered. The Gypsy was sunk by a mine in Harwich harbour but I believe she was a collerier but I could be wrong on that.

HMS Gypsy was a destroyer, and was one of the first naval casualties of the war. She hit a mine just outside the harbour and was beached near Landguard point I believe. A lot of her crew are buried at Shotley in the naval cemetery. An interesting - and emotive - place to visit.

 

[sailorman]

HMS Gypsy was a destroyer, and was one of the first naval casualties of the war. She hit a mine just outside the harbour and was beached near Landguard point I believe. A lot of her crew are buried at Shotley in the naval cemetery. An interesting - and emotive - place to visit.

I can remember a wreck on landguard when we had our first Yacht ( a Silhouette 11) on the Deben in about 73

 

[Stork_III]

I can remember a wreck on landguard when we had our first Yacht ( a Silhouette 11) on the Deben in about 73

From Wiki:- The ship's wreck was upright on the seabed with only the bridge visible at high tide, but it blocked the channel. Only buckled plating amidships held the two main sections of the wreck together and they were cut by explosives when salvage began shortly after her sinking. The two halves were raised by pontoons, and were subsequently broken up. 750 long tons (760 t) of ferrous scrap and 38 long tons (39 t) of non-ferrous metals were recovered between June 1940 and February 1944.

So your wreck would not have been her.

 

[sailorman]

From Wiki:- The ship's wreck was upright on the seabed with only the bridge visible at high tide, but it blocked the channel. Only buckled plating amidships held the two main sections of the wreck together and they were cut by explosives when salvage began shortly after her sinking. The two halves were raised by pontoons, and were subsequently broken up. 750 long tons (760 t) of ferrous scrap and 38 long tons (39 t) of non-ferrous metals were recovered between June 1940 and February 1944.

So your wreck would not have been her.

agree there was defo some superstructure showing at LW towards the pier side of Landguard


nothing here so it may have been a small boat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks_of_England#Suffolk

 

[toyboy]

So you never saw her steaming up & down the Orwell & Stour then in around 1957

There were many naval ships using the Orwell in the years after the war and Ipswich was a submarine repair facility. I never remembered any of the naval boats as they were just casual visitors. Britania anchored in the river once and I believe the Queen was aboard and the navy guarded her closely. That didn't stop one of the local smugglers pinching a RiB off it

 

[toyboy]

HMS Gypsy was a destroyer, and was one of the first naval casualties of the war. She hit a mine just outside the harbour and was beached near Landguard point I believe. A lot of her crew are buried at Shotley in the naval cemetery. An interesting - and emotive - place to visit.

I took a load of photo's at Shotley Naval cemetery last season. I was quite surprised to see German submariners from the first WW buried there! Even worse though is the number of children from Ganges. A very emotive place indeed.

 

[toyboy]

I can remember a wreck on landguard when we had our first Yacht ( a Silhouette 11) on the Deben in about 73

There used to be a beach beside the dock basin and an old wreck laid there for years and we would play on it. I think it was deserted rather than sunk though as she sat perfectly upright.