Swinging moorings in Poole Harbour - opinions

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Hello there,

We've recently purchased our first sailing boat - a Beneteau First 235. We're really pleased with her but the hunt for affordable South Coast moorings begins... :ambivalence:

Ideally we're looking for moorings in Poole Harbour, however we would consider Christchurch or Southampton. I've looked at Lakeyard and Salterns swinging moorings, both of which are very competitively priced and offer a good array of boatyard services. I'm inkling towards Lakeyard, because that part of Poole harbour 'seems' more sheltered and has alot less passing traffic. SWBO likes the idea of Salterns as it seems like the more complete package (bar, restaurant, hotel, shops etc), but I'm reluctant to moor the boat anywhere near what claims to be the most exclusive marina in England!

However, we're both very concerned about the security of swinging moorings, particularly in Poole Harbour. The boat was recently fitted (by the previous owner) with new and expensive electronic equipment and we're concerned this could be stolen. She would would be fully insured, but the idea getting anything stolen or damaged scares us, almost to the point were I am considering installing a GPS tracker which emails me the boats position every 10 minutes. I'm also worried about leaving a relatively small and light boat (23ft) on a mooring in a large body of water considering how much traffic there is in Poole Harbour, some of which throws up alot of wash. I would be very interested to hear readers opinions on this matter.

I suppose the main thing to add is that we cannot afford South Coast marina prices as our budget for annual moorings and storage is around the 2k mark. MDL Cobbs Quay would be looking over 3k, which seems extortionate considering it's behind a bridge.

The cheapest marina we can find is Kemps Quay who would be looking around 2k. I quite like Kemps, but it's semi tidal and can be a trek to the Solent. I suppose comprises have to be met.

Any advice or ideas would be very much appreciated, thanks.
 
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Theft from the boat seems like a legitimate concern, though there are worse places than Poole Harbour. Theft of the boat is unlikely, so sadly a GPS tracker won't help much.

We're at Kemp's and I like the place; on the outer pontoon the tidal constraints don't limit us all that much in practice even with 1.9m draught. But it can feel like a long way to the Solent; when we had a 24-footer (albeit a shallow-draught gaffer and not good to windward) I would often set off on Friday night and anchor at Ower's Lake (just inside Calshot Spit) ready to head out into the Solent on Saturday morning.

Last I heard (and that was a few years ago now) Southampton Sailing Club at the corner of the Itchen was actively looking for new members and had moorings available for £400 a year. If your budget is £2k and you prefer Poole then they're probably not of interest, but I thought I'd mention them just in case.

Pete
 
Southampton is certainly an option. We used to have our motorboat on the Itchen and loved it there and I do like the look of Kemp's. I'll definitely have a look at Southampton Sailing Club.
 
As ever there are compromises when choosing a mooring. As already said, theft from boats is not as big an issue in Poole as it might be elsewhere because of regular traffic, a good police presence and local watch schemes. The lake moorings are indeed quieter but further away from the harbour entrance. Salterns area is closer of course and not a big issue with traffic now the commercial vessels use the main channel. An alternative in that area is Parkstone Bay which is very quiet, but can be limiting for a deep keel.

The other thing you have to consider is getting to Poole as traffic, particularly if you are coming from east and north on the A31 is terrible, and getting across Poole to Hamworthy adds 30 minutes or so compared with Parkstone. This will only get worse with the massive housebuilding programme in Hamworthy which will inevitably increase traffic.

I have had swinging moorings at Rockley, Lilliput and Parkstone Bay, but my boat only drew 1m so the last was probably the best - even if it did end up on Whitecliff rec in the 1987 storm!

However, the best place to sail from in Poole is Poole Yacht Club, which has the best marina and swinging moorings, but you have to plan long term because it is oversubscribed (for obvious reasons) and even when you get in there is a long wait for a berth. There are usually swinging moorings available to members at comparable prices to other harbour moorings and very active cruising and racing activities.
 
There are a couple of issues with Poole swinging moorings
Wind against tide causes the boat to drive forward against the mooring buoy.
Getting out to and in from the boat can be difficult in lively weather, depending on where the mooring is, but some clubs/yards provide a drop off / collection service.
There is some thieving, but probably no worse than any other popular boating areas.

If your preference is the Poole area and you don't draw much over 4ft6 then you could also consider the Environment Agency (Exeter Office) moorings up the River Frome towards Wareham. Moorings are sheltered, fore and aft buoys along the river.
 
There are a couple of issues with Poole swinging moorings
Wind against tide causes the boat to drive forward against the mooring buoy.
Getting out to and in from the boat can be difficult in lively weather, depending on where the mooring is, but some clubs/yards provide a drop off / collection service.
There is some thieving, but probably no worse than any other popular boating areas.

If your preference is the Poole area and you don't draw much over 4ft6 then you could also consider the Environment Agency (Exeter Office) moorings up the River Frome towards Wareham. Moorings are sheltered, fore and aft buoys along the river.

Some more affordable (than downstream) alongside berths up there too http://www.pbo.co.uk/marina-guide/annual-marina-guide-2015/ridge-wharf-yacht-centre. Long treck but good shelter and scenic reedbed surroundings.....
 
Congrats on your new purchase I wish you many happy seasons.

Not sure where you live, but have you considered Portsmouth Harbour, here we have plenty of swinging moorings. I have been there many years now so can offer suggestions if you wish.

Delbuoy
 
You could also look at Marchwood?

Looked at Marchwood, certainly an option but I wasn't clear on the costs involved there and how loud the noise from cargo terminal would be. I expect it's a slight shorter journey to Dockhead than Kemp's is?

The other thing you have to consider is getting to Poole as traffic, particularly if you are coming from east and north on the A31 is terrible, and getting across Poole to Hamworthy adds 30 minutes or so compared with Parkstone. This will only get worse with the massive housebuilding programme in Hamworthy which will inevitably increase traffic.

Indeed, we live just outside Poole at West Moors and I expect it'll take over 45 minutes to do the 12 miles to Poole in the summer months. Brilliant indictment of East Dorset roads but what can you do! In reality it'll be quicker to travel to Southampton, but it's a 60 mile round trip and pain if we want to go down to the boat in the evenings afterwork.

However, the best place to sail from in Poole is Poole Yacht Club, which has the best marina and swinging moorings, but you have to plan long term because it is oversubscribed (for obvious reasons) and even when you get in there is a long wait for a berth. There are usually swinging moorings available to members at comparable prices to other harbour moorings and very active cruising and racing activities.

We do want to get involved with a club and from what I've read and hear PYC certainly sounds like one of the best. It is something we will consider in the coming years hopefully.

There are a couple of issues with Poole swinging moorings
If your preference is the Poole area and you don't draw much over 4ft6 then you could also consider the Environment Agency (Exeter Office) moorings up the River Frome towards Wareham. Moorings are sheltered, fore and aft buoys along the river.

We looked at Ridge Wharf but I wasn't sure how long the journey would be to the harbour entrance and the effect the river has on boats in terms of fouling compared to the main harbour area.

Congrats on your new purchase I wish you many happy seasons.

Not sure where you live, but have you considered Portsmouth Harbour, here we have plenty of swinging moorings. I have been there many years now so can offer suggestions if you wish.

Delbuoy

Thanks. We are living outside Poole and as I said above in my reply it's likely to take 45 minutes to get to Poole in the summer compared to the 30'ish minutes to Southampton.

Portmouth is probably a stretch too far unless significant saving where to be found there?
 
I expect it's a slight shorter journey to Dockhead than Kemp's is?

I generally work on half an hour up or down the river to Kemp's, though that's at ambling pace and allowing for things like slowing down to rig warps and fenders when on my own, and for the time it takes to actually berth and tie up.

Pete
 
A big factor is if you are a swing/lifting keel and can take the ground, and the sort of sailing you want to do. Poole is great for pottering around, especially if your are shallow draft, and this opens up a wide choice of moorings.

If you plan to explore further, look at the time it takes to the harbour mouth. Heading off beyond the harbour overnight can leave you looking back over your shoulder in a smaller boat, as it is a long beat upwind to get back if the weather freshens from the SW and you are in the Solent.

Christchurch is idyllic, but very limited on entry/exit times, especially for a deeper keel. The main Solent area has a greater range of overnight options, even if the weather is poor, but can get crowded.

I have tried both options, and prefer the Solent as it gives more choice for 'nights away' in a range of weather conditions.
 
I would prefer the Solent, although SWBO seems to have her mind set on Poole.

We've had many good overnights at Newtown Creek and Osborne Bay and we know the waters of the Solent pretty well. Poole Harbor and the Dorset coastline are completely unfamiliar waters and to be honest I think we would be reluctant to leave the harbour unless the weather conditions were perfect.

Struggling with this one, we've been offered a good summer/winter swinging mooring package at Salterns but it sounds almost too good to be true.

Poole to Newtown Creek 22nm approx. Itchen to Newtown Creek 16nm approx. So we're looking at the different between 1-1/2 hours extra sailing time. Maybe not an issue, not sure.
 
From my EA mooring at Ridge it takes an hour to get to the Chain Ferry at 6 knots.
Parking and dingy storage is at Ridge Wharf for an annual fee.
Downside on EA moorings are - mooring lines get filthy and getting off mooring is sometimes difficult if there is a strong wind blowing you onto the riverbank. Upside is that it is sheltered, safe and you can stay on the mooring all year.
 
From my EA mooring at Ridge it takes an hour to get to the Chain Ferry at 6 knots.
Parking and dingy storage is at Ridge Wharf for an annual fee.
Downside on EA moorings are - mooring lines get filthy and getting off mooring is sometimes difficult if there is a strong wind blowing you onto the riverbank. Upside is that it is sheltered, safe and you can stay on the mooring all year.

I got in contact with Ridge this afternoon and all their afloat berths are taken for 2016. They can offer us storage in winter 2016-17, otherwise we'd have to go on a waiting list for an afloat berth in 2016. Shame as I really liked the look of Ridge Wharf.
 
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Poole to Newtown Creek 22nm approx. Itchen to Newtown Creek 16nm approx. So we're looking at the different between 1-1/2 hours extra sailing time. Maybe not an issue, not sure.

True, but don't forget that for the Poole trip you have no option but to fit in with the tides through Hurst, whereas the Itchen would always be do-able for most boats whatever the tide, even if slow-going.
 
I got in contact with Ridge this afternoon and all their afloat berths are taken for 2016. They can offer us storage in winter 2016-17, otherwise we'd have to go on a waiting list for an afloat berth in 2016. Shame as I really liked the look of Ridge Wharf.


Don't confuse Ridge Wharf moorings with EA moorings controlled from Exeter office.
I have two numbers for them 01392 444000 and 352448 and ask for R Frome moorings.
 
I have just done a very comprehensive trawl of all options Southampton and Portsmouth. Assuming 25 foot, long keel 3'6 draft...

Cheapest = Quay lane boatyard, Bomb Ketch, at £850 for the year. Seems a bit exposed and hard to get to. Other companies have similar with varying taxi or dinghy facilities and costs to match access.

Cheapest Southampton non marina was Itchen marine, central river pontoon £1300. All states of tide, quick to Southampton water but no facilities. Dingy storage included.

Marinas: Kemps is nicest and actually lowest cost of the tidal, non- Mdl / Premier marinas. I wasn't impressed with Lauren Marine or their prices, or the other one next door on the Wolston side. Ocean Quay opposite costs as much as MDL but is not as nice.

If I lived where you do, I'd get a Beaulieu river mooring from Royal Southampton YC and enjoy Gins and the river. Not the cheapest but beautiful.
 
When I had a boat up in Southampton Water I had a mooring at Hythe Sailing Club. Very friendly and no waiting list (at that time) for moorings. Plenty of space for overwintering with a good slip to haul out on.

As an alternative, but maybe too far west, there are moorings in Portland Harbour (Hugh Wiltshire at Quest Marine). I kept my new boat on them and came into Portland Marina for the winter. That worked out very reasonable over the year for a 37'
 
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