fuss
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And why should we believe you owned a Twister, Twister Ken?
swap 2 sheep and ex wife for a macgreggor 26
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And why should we believe you owned a Twister, Twister Ken?
Seajet
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Sorry but that just had to remind me of Caroline Aherne interviewing Debbie Magee;
" So what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels ? "...
Twister_Ken
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My avatar?
Madhatter
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Lakesailor
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Without wishing to enter into a Mcg****r bashing thread 
D) you should offer what you would really like to be paying for it, with a fall-back position of what you may feel is a bit too much.
Forget what the vendor is asking as that will be coloured by how much he paid and has spent and how much he had to pay to be towed-in and his poor holiday when his ingrowing toenail was giving him gip etc.
Market forces mean that most boats are way-over-priced at present.
£16K? offer £11K with a top limit of £12K
D) you should offer what you would really like to be paying for it, with a fall-back position of what you may feel is a bit too much.Forget what the vendor is asking as that will be coloured by how much he paid and has spent and how much he had to pay to be towed-in and his poor holiday when his ingrowing toenail was giving him gip etc.
Market forces mean that most boats are way-over-priced at present.
£16K? offer £11K with a top limit of £12K
William_H
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McGreggor 26
I happened to be taking a sailing lesson last sat morning and one of the students said he wanted to buy a McGreggor 26 I hope I wasn't too rude in disparaging the McGreggor 26. He reckoned he had done his research and that is what he wanted. He was talking paying 33K squid for a shiny one. I did wonder why he was learning to sail when the boat he had in mind was more of a motor boat.
I pointed out the the boat we were on a Bakewell White 8 was about as different to a McGreggor as possible. The same size, but purely racing, no engine no cabin just fearsome sail power.
Some people must have McGreggors and love them? I am afraid I love sailing to much to be one of them.
olewill
I happened to be taking a sailing lesson last sat morning and one of the students said he wanted to buy a McGreggor 26 I hope I wasn't too rude in disparaging the McGreggor 26. He reckoned he had done his research and that is what he wanted. He was talking paying 33K squid for a shiny one. I did wonder why he was learning to sail when the boat he had in mind was more of a motor boat.
I pointed out the the boat we were on a Bakewell White 8 was about as different to a McGreggor as possible. The same size, but purely racing, no engine no cabin just fearsome sail power.
Some people must have McGreggors and love them? I am afraid I love sailing to much to be one of them.
olewill
onesea
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Without wishing to enter into a Mcg****r bashing thread
Forget what the vendor is asking as that will be coloured by how much he paid and has spent and how much he had to pay to be towed-in and his poor holiday when his ingrowing toenail was giving him gip etc.
Personally I have put bids in serious bids from 1/3 the asking price (she had been on the market for 8 months without an offer, eventually she sold for about 2/3rds the asking price).
There have also been several conversations with brokers, with those problems (keel issues, collapsed balsa deck, re-engineing osmosis etc ) I would not pay more than £1 as I could buy this one that is ready to go for....
If they want to waste my time on travelling round the country for "needs a little TLC" I will waste the time with my offers.
The boat we bought we paid a fair bit less then the asking price but considerably less than the original asking price.
Go in with what you feel best, look before you bid..
Zorro
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I feel that I must defend the McGreggor 26, I have never owned one but used to sail one with a friend evey weekend in and around New Zealand's South Island, as many of you probabally know that is one of the windiest places on Earth and the seas can be quite impressive there also.
Quite a lot of our sailing was done fairly well reefed, or mainsail alone where she still sailed well. I always felt 100% safe on the baot knowing that she was unsinkable and she was great fun to sail, surfing very easily and under contol downwind and never being knocked down in a gust because of the small keel she would move slightly sideways instead.
Infact I think the design of the Mcgreggor is a lot more sensible and maybe safer than the boats that have a ton or more of seel or lead bolted to the bottom of them, making them sink easier, sail like snails in light to average winds and never being able to surf, so infact can be quite boring to sail.
I would without hessitation sail a McGregor 26 across the atlantic anytime, if anyone from Mcgreggor yachts or any owner wants to call my bluff on this please get in touch and I will do the trip for charity and post updates on this forum.
Quite a lot of our sailing was done fairly well reefed, or mainsail alone where she still sailed well. I always felt 100% safe on the baot knowing that she was unsinkable and she was great fun to sail, surfing very easily and under contol downwind and never being knocked down in a gust because of the small keel she would move slightly sideways instead.
Infact I think the design of the Mcgreggor is a lot more sensible and maybe safer than the boats that have a ton or more of seel or lead bolted to the bottom of them, making them sink easier, sail like snails in light to average winds and never being able to surf, so infact can be quite boring to sail.
I would without hessitation sail a McGregor 26 across the atlantic anytime, if anyone from Mcgreggor yachts or any owner wants to call my bluff on this please get in touch and I will do the trip for charity and post updates on this forum.
a3xloser
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ok what else then
ok lots of putting me off the mac 26, but no one is coming up with a boat that does what i want, for the record i a crystal 23 keel boat for a season to try out sailing, but was too small inside,
ok heres my needs, and see if you got anything other than a mac 26 to surgest,
1 i want full or close to full standing room, i am 6'1''
2 i want over 10mph to cut down on current and weather changing worries
3 i want to be able to dry out upright and be able to beach her
4 room to enjoy dossing on boat(floating caravan)
things i would miss
1 not been able to sink her
2 no trailer would add cost
so what you got?
ok lots of putting me off the mac 26, but no one is coming up with a boat that does what i want, for the record i a crystal 23 keel boat for a season to try out sailing, but was too small inside,
ok heres my needs, and see if you got anything other than a mac 26 to surgest,
1 i want full or close to full standing room, i am 6'1''
2 i want over 10mph to cut down on current and weather changing worries
3 i want to be able to dry out upright and be able to beach her
4 room to enjoy dossing on boat(floating caravan)
things i would miss
1 not been able to sink her
2 no trailer would add cost
so what you got?
Tranona
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There are plenty of boats that will meet your requirement - and more, EXCEPT for number 2. That is the only thing a McG can do that others can't. It is clearly not something that is either easily achieved or valued as that boat is just about the only one that can do it. However as you will have seen from comments of others there are significant downsides to the boat as a consequence of the compromises. If you are happy to live with these, then it might be the boat for you, but the small numbers on the market suggest not many people value it.
If you want a sailing boat with all the other features then you have to accept it is physically just about impossible to travel at 10mph. This does not seem to be a problem for the thousands of people who have small sailing cruisers and recognise that they will not travel at 10 mph. If that is a key criterion, then you need to consider a motor boat.
Seajet
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+1; and try to realise that even fast motor boats cannot always sustain high speeds.
I once met a chap, actually a very tough & brave Army Officer, who had a classic Fairey Huntsman motor boat.
Although it had huge non-standard engines and could manage 40 knots, he was brutally honest, as an ex-sailor; " you just hang on, it's awful and one just consoles oneself it should soon be over ".
Even that boat would have to slow down drastically in even slightly lumpy seas.
I would urge you to read 'Heavy Weather Sailing', a whole chapter is dedicated to motor boats in bad and some surprisingly benign conditions, written by people like pro' delvery skippers - you may well find it illuminating !
alahol2
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One thing you haven't mentioned is the ability to sail, so your best bet is a motorboat of some sort. I can't suggest any because I don't know anything about them.
tom_sail
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Sadler 29
Unsinkable
Can dry out
Loads of head room
Very safe.
Down side 10 knots is a lot to ask for any cruising sailing boat of that side.
Unsinkable
Can dry out
Loads of head room
Very safe.
Down side 10 knots is a lot to ask for any cruising sailing boat of that side.
Seajet
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a3xloser,
I am NOT being rude, but how about going on a sailing course ?
It might give you a better idea of what's available and boat speeds etc; I have heard good things about B.O.S.S. and Southern schools, others here will know more.
I realise '10mph' doesn't sound a lot to ask if unfamiliar with boats, but it most surely is, especially as an average on passages !
Please do have a read of 'Heavy Weather Sailing', I expect it could be requested at a library if you don't fancy buying it, though I and others swear by it.
I am NOT being rude, but how about going on a sailing course ?
It might give you a better idea of what's available and boat speeds etc; I have heard good things about B.O.S.S. and Southern schools, others here will know more.
I realise '10mph' doesn't sound a lot to ask if unfamiliar with boats, but it most surely is, especially as an average on passages !
Please do have a read of 'Heavy Weather Sailing', I expect it could be requested at a library if you don't fancy buying it, though I and others swear by it.
Simondjuk
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An Evolution 25 does all those except the 10mph one. They also sail rather nicely and I happen to know of a 100% up and together one which is for sale.
PabloPicasso
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I could keep the two sheep in my garden and it would save me having to mow it. I'm not sure I have much use foir your ex-wife though?
MagicIsland
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Own a Mac and Love her !
Mac it is, I'm 6ft and find the inside great, she sails well enough for me not to notice, i don't race so hersailing speed is not and issue, having the engine on the back is great if you have to worry about making it back to catch a tidal window without cutting your sailing down.
I don't understand why people say it's neither a motor boat or a yacht so its ****, a harrier jump jet takes of like an helecopter and flies like a plane but it's not the best at either but it still does a great job still
Mac it is, I'm 6ft and find the inside great, she sails well enough for me not to notice, i don't race so hersailing speed is not and issue, having the engine on the back is great if you have to worry about making it back to catch a tidal window without cutting your sailing down.
I don't understand why people say it's neither a motor boat or a yacht so its ****, a harrier jump jet takes of like an helecopter and flies like a plane but it's not the best at either but it still does a great job still
Seajet
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MagicIsland,
sailing speed and handling is not just for racing, having a seaworthy boat capable of taking what weather comes her way is what it's all about, both for satisfaction and safety.
As someone who worked with Harriers a lot I find it hard to see them mentioned in the same paragraph as Macgregors !
The Harrier is still unequalled - the F-35B has a big question mark over it, some people I worked with have done their best to develop it - but the Harrier is a success story with a lot of exports, inc the USA which is a notoriously difficult nut to crack.
I'm afraid the derision the Macgregor design & concept comes in for is based on sound reasoning by experienced sailors...hence it only appealing to novices who think they're being given a magic answer on a plate.
sailing speed and handling is not just for racing, having a seaworthy boat capable of taking what weather comes her way is what it's all about, both for satisfaction and safety.
As someone who worked with Harriers a lot I find it hard to see them mentioned in the same paragraph as Macgregors !
The Harrier is still unequalled - the F-35B has a big question mark over it, some people I worked with have done their best to develop it - but the Harrier is a success story with a lot of exports, inc the USA which is a notoriously difficult nut to crack.
I'm afraid the derision the Macgregor design & concept comes in for is based on sound reasoning by experienced sailors...hence it only appealing to novices who think they're being given a magic answer on a plate.
MagicIsland
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Horses for courses
This is my point, the Mac is not a boat designed to cross oceans or even seas, she is a boat that in fair weather gets you out sailing, if the weather is bad or during winter you can trailer her inland and sail on lakes and rivers and still get some sailing hours in. They are safe if used as they were intended (Ballast full while sailing) and they give their owners many hours experiance on the water all year round. I could have bought a different boat, one that sat on her mooring from April to October and weather permitting we would go out whenever we could up and down the same piece of sea (I would not go out if the weather forecast was not favourable even though the boat was safer and more sea worthy than a Mac as i don't feel i've got the experiance yet , being a novice) , Nov - Mar she would be on hard standing and I would get no practical experiance during those months. However as I have a Mac I have experianced all year round sailing and motoring allowing me to develop seamanship and boating knowledge that is transferable to other boats and also experianced three weeks sailing in France without praying for the right weather to make a channel crossing which no doubt would not coinside with the time i have to take my holiday from work. When I have a lot more experiance and different sailing goals I'm sure I will want a different boat, but for me right now the Mac ticks all the boxes!
This is my point, the Mac is not a boat designed to cross oceans or even seas, she is a boat that in fair weather gets you out sailing, if the weather is bad or during winter you can trailer her inland and sail on lakes and rivers and still get some sailing hours in. They are safe if used as they were intended (Ballast full while sailing) and they give their owners many hours experiance on the water all year round. I could have bought a different boat, one that sat on her mooring from April to October and weather permitting we would go out whenever we could up and down the same piece of sea (I would not go out if the weather forecast was not favourable even though the boat was safer and more sea worthy than a Mac as i don't feel i've got the experiance yet , being a novice) , Nov - Mar she would be on hard standing and I would get no practical experiance during those months. However as I have a Mac I have experianced all year round sailing and motoring allowing me to develop seamanship and boating knowledge that is transferable to other boats and also experianced three weeks sailing in France without praying for the right weather to make a channel crossing which no doubt would not coinside with the time i have to take my holiday from work. When I have a lot more experiance and different sailing goals I'm sure I will want a different boat, but for me right now the Mac ticks all the boxes!
Seajet
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Magic Island,
fair enough, at least you're keen and know your and your boat's limitations; it's meant to be fun not an endurance test ( which one can find oneself in all too easily ) so, have fun, just don't push your luck with that boat !
fair enough, at least you're keen and know your and your boat's limitations; it's meant to be fun not an endurance test ( which one can find oneself in all too easily ) so, have fun, just don't push your luck with that boat !