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You are in good company with your two hob stove.
Survival with hob only Cooker
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How many production yachts have more than a two burner stove these days? I would never use more than one burner at home (but I would microwave the veges.)
Neeves
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Mr Ds thermal cooker is a copy of the Thermos Shuttle Chef. I'm not knocking his copy but Mr Ds is not available everywhere (but neither is the Shuttle Chef). Mr Ds is UK based and last I heard Thermos was Canadian.
There are a couple of other brands (Japanese), whose names I forget. As far as I know they are now all made in Shanghai. They are very common in HK and Japanese households as they too do not commonly have ovens and quite often only a 2 burner hob - the thermal cooker allows the cooking of soups and stews. I read recently, and was surprised, that Stanley claim to have originated the stainless Dewar flask (and all of these devices depend on Sir James for their origins). Stanley do some intermediate sized flasks - more for simply storing food hot rather than slow cooking - which is the focus of the Shuttle Chef and Mr Ds.
Thermos Thermal Cooker Review - Practical Sailor
We have three Shuttle Chefs - a big one for family meals, a small one for the 2 of us and another small on Josepheline - for us (or maybe 4) on the boat. Josephine uses one - about 4 times a week.
Best thing since sliced bread.
Jonathan
There are a couple of other brands (Japanese), whose names I forget. As far as I know they are now all made in Shanghai. They are very common in HK and Japanese households as they too do not commonly have ovens and quite often only a 2 burner hob - the thermal cooker allows the cooking of soups and stews. I read recently, and was surprised, that Stanley claim to have originated the stainless Dewar flask (and all of these devices depend on Sir James for their origins). Stanley do some intermediate sized flasks - more for simply storing food hot rather than slow cooking - which is the focus of the Shuttle Chef and Mr Ds.
Thermos Thermal Cooker Review - Practical Sailor
We have three Shuttle Chefs - a big one for family meals, a small one for the 2 of us and another small on Josepheline - for us (or maybe 4) on the boat. Josephine uses one - about 4 times a week.
Best thing since sliced bread.
Jonathan
DownWest
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Used to be 'Straw Box' cooking. When I was off grid, quite often cooked up a pot in the morning, put it in a well insulated box and it was nicely done by the evening. Bit of re-heat, then serve. (Box was actually a bench seat, packed with old woolen jumpers and other insulation)
Robin
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bought 2 on sale, 2nd one was ditched years later wet poop in cardboard has no appeal. we have had some excellent roasts in a gas BBQ on the pushpit even with simultaneous roast tatties and veg. we carry tinned spuds and corned beef from which to assemble a decent corned beef hash. Have also now some longlife, no fridge needed, foil packs of Sainsbury's brunch I' m a risotto lover and can make a decent one using tinned chicken chunks, tinned mushrooms and a small tin of petis pois. when on shore power we have an excellent halogen oven which gets lots of use but never for FB (todays special is toad in hole) we actually have an inherited 3 burner gas hob with gas oven but the oven makes boat too hot and it's temperature control is too hit and miss. Very rarely use 2 burners of the hob at same time let alone 3
Bristolfashion
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We did 3 1/2 years live aboard with a 2 burner methylated spirit hob & electric kettle & toaster for when in marinas. Top tip - eat out for treats you can't cook on board! We had one of those wire things for making toast on the burner.
In 6 months we have used our gas oven once - but the 2 burner gas or one ring electric when on shore power get a work out.
In 6 months we have used our gas oven once - but the 2 burner gas or one ring electric when on shore power get a work out.
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The OP is talking about lack of an oven and I offer a serious exhibition yacht, with design input from a highly respected exhibition skipper, that was designed with only 2 hobs and no oven; for a large crew as well. The OP will be fine with his 2 hobs and no oven.
Neeves
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It depends on whether you consider sailing as an aqueous advance on 1950s camping or whether, given this is the 21st century, you can expect just that little bit more.
Of course you can survive on 2 hobs - Pah!! - you could live on baked beans and cold seawater showers (in fact why bother with the showers).
If we want to sail with out wives and grandchildren we need to leave nostalgia behind us.
I simply don't see the need for the hair shirts. If you insist on an SAS lifestyle - go for it. But there is plenty of room for a 4 burner stove and an oven on most 30' yachts. There is also no excuse to live on Fray Bentos meat pies - apart from a jaded palette, a lack of imagination and laziness.
Jonathan
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I don't think your post adds anything to the OPs wonderment of only having 2 x hobs. Lots of folks have stated that having 2 hobs does not mean "hair shirt' or 'surviving'. I don't insist on anything. The OP can have a wonderful gastronomic experience with the 2 hobs.
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Tranona
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The OP's boat is a small 25 footer like this
theyachtmarket.com/en/boat-for-sale/2088202/
As you can see the space is designed around a 2 burner hob and would require much hacking about to fit a cooker with and oven. A new cooker with oven costs around £500 and is rather overkill on this type of boat when there are many ways of expanding ones choice of food by using some of the stove top devices mentioned earlier.
Neeves
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Don't you have BBQs in the UK any more. They don't appear to get a mention. They hang on the transom of every yacht here, of almost any size, and do a pretty good job with roasts. The kids will love it, Mum can leave the culinary skills to the skipper (BBQs seem to the preserve of males here). And BBQs - as cheap as chips
We need less of the hair shirts and more lateral thinking.
Jonathan
We need less of the hair shirts and more lateral thinking.
Jonathan
Robin
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see my post re bbqs in #25.
Friends of ours had a Sadler 25 like the OP and theirs had a 2 burner stove with oven, gimballed one too.
Neeves
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Sorry Robin, I do try to read all the post before I jump in.
Good to read there is someone with a bit of imagination and does not settle for Compo rations.
In our early days we raced and cruised our J24, we took the BBQ off when we raced and re-installed when we cruised. On a warm night it can be quite delightful, even in a J24, to sit in the cockpit, red wine, small lamb roast, more red wine - fresh salad.......
Jonathan
Tranona
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Freely available at any decent chandlers - but really not popular with boaters despite BBQ being fairly popular at home - and now revealed to be the late Prince Phillip's favourite. suspect something to do with the weather here. When you count up the number of days/evenings on the boat when a BBQ would work you might find it difficult to justify carrying one.
Anyway to me BBQ is far more "hair shirt" than "proper" cooking and you would be amazed what one can do with just a 2 burner hob with a bit of imagination.
Robin
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Not at all hair shirt if done properly. my favourite was half a fillet of beef sat on half onions in a baking tray and surrounded by parboiled fluffed up tatties to roast and some halved carrots. We always used a meat thermometer inserted into the middle of the joint so as not to overcook the beef. In effect a one pot meal with pizazz. Don't forget to pack the horseradish and Dijon mustard. Gravy was however Bisto best instant. Our BBQs were simple circular Magnum ones. The charcoal Cobb BBQs might be a suitable option to the OP,
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Praxinoscope
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There is certainly room for a double burner/oven in the Sadler 25, but I have never really found the the need for anything more than a double burner Origo.
As suggested in previous posts there are a variety of ways of replicating an oveneffect on a two burner stove.
Toast? The best thing I have found is the Highlander folding toaster, it produces excellent toast on the Origo and fills the cabin with that glorious smell of toasted bread.
As suggested in previous posts there are a variety of ways of replicating an oveneffect on a two burner stove.
Toast? The best thing I have found is the Highlander folding toaster, it produces excellent toast on the Origo and fills the cabin with that glorious smell of toasted bread.
BobnLesley
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We went to look at a boat with a view a boat in Trizonia some years ago (a 34-36' Westerley or Moody ketch?) and arrived to discover that its galley had been chopped back - probably with a rip saw, but possibly an axe, we didn't investigate too deeply - to allow for the installation of a domestic gas cooker, while on the opposite side there was a domestic electric fridge restrained by the remains of the yacht's chart table and a couple of bungee cords. The owner seemed to genuinely believe that these 'upgrades' enhanced the value of his boat.
Spirit (of Glenans)
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1. I find BBQ highly stressful, trying to cook the food without immolating it, as due to the weather here I get very little practice.
2. You can make flatbread on a frying pan.
3. My (30') boat formerly belonged to a sailing school and was only fitted with a 2-burner hob to feed a crew that generally numbered six. (One of my first improvements, however, was to fit a unit which included a grill and oven.)
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dunedin
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I was following with interest all the recommendations for hob top cookers ……………. until I remembered that our boat does have a gas oven
Never lit it yet ! (Only been used as faraday cage for electronics during a few serious lightning storms.). But use the gas hobs extensively - circa 100 meals on boats so far this year
Never lit it yet ! (Only been used as faraday cage for electronics during a few serious lightning storms.). But use the gas hobs extensively - circa 100 meals on boats so far this year
LittleSister
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You can roast in an Omnia oven.
I've had an Omnia oven and thought it great (I don't recognise the 'problems' others have mentioned), and very useful. But that is from the view of someone who had never previously had a boat with an oven, so I was viewing it as a bonus over a hob only, rather than a come down from a 'proper' oven. (I've got a conventional oven in my current boat, but was only earlier today rueing the potential drawer storage space it was taking up, given how rarely the oven actually gets used.)
Contrary to someone's claims above, you can cook a bought ready-made pizza in an Omnia, you just have to cut it into segments before you cook it, rather than after.
p.s. lots of videos on the interweb re using Omnias, and the wide variety of things that can be done with them.
I've had an Omnia oven and thought it great (I don't recognise the 'problems' others have mentioned), and very useful. But that is from the view of someone who had never previously had a boat with an oven, so I was viewing it as a bonus over a hob only, rather than a come down from a 'proper' oven. (I've got a conventional oven in my current boat, but was only earlier today rueing the potential drawer storage space it was taking up, given how rarely the oven actually gets used.)
Contrary to someone's claims above, you can cook a bought ready-made pizza in an Omnia, you just have to cut it into segments before you cook it, rather than after.
p.s. lots of videos on the interweb re using Omnias, and the wide variety of things that can be done with them.