Surly - Shipwrights Arms, Helford

[robertj]

Unfortunatly, from the attitudes I have seen, the cornish see the tourists as a resource that is taken for granted and is despised. Wether it is beacuse they bring their holiday money and so seem rich or they really don't realise how easy they have it. The line I've heard most, quite recently is usually "It'll be back to being ours in a few weeks, don't worry"

Shame as being a Devonian I think the attitude is different. Plymouth especially, welcoming tourism and holidaymakers.

(Not all Cornsh but a lot I've met)

Being Cornish I would sadly have to agree somewhat, but, training and pay is paramount the old saying is 'if you pay peanuts u get monkeys' a lot of the owners of these establishment are not Cornish.
The rip off attitude is indeed there but take solice that they rip us off aswell when the tourist leave.

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

Went to the Shipwrights this week for the first time ( we normally go the other side ). Good food, good service, nice people.

Also went to the Pandora. Fantastic service. Friendliest staff I have seen for years. Weather wasn't that great and we were sitting outside with the dog but several serving staff checked on us regularly, brought things out, chatted etc.

Very impressed.

 

[Prospect and Sunray]

Unfortunatly, from the attitudes I have seen, the cornish see the tourists as a resource that is taken for granted and is despised. Wether it is beacuse they bring their holiday money and so seem rich or they really don't realise how easy they have it. The line I've heard most, quite recently is usually "It'll be back to being ours in a few weeks, don't worry"

Shame as being a Devonian I think the attitude is different. Plymouth especially, welcoming tourism and holidaymakers.

(Not all Cornsh but a lot I've met)

Unfortunately, as Bob has said above, it does happen......... But tourists in general are welcomed throughout Cornwall by all the people and businesses (yes I am Cornish). Unfortunately the rub for many Cornish people, and in particular those who live in villages by the coast, are the second home owner brigage who pay over the odds for houses forcing out the locals, who use their second home for 2-4 weeks per year and waltz around like they own the place.

Sorry for the thread drift.

It is great to read the more positive comments about these pubs, definately going to put them on my places to visit when I am down west again

 

[Seajet]

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Unfortunately, as Bob has said above, it does happen......... But tourists in general are welcomed throughout Cornwall by all the people and businesses (yes I am Cornish). Unfortunately the rub for many Cornish people, and in particular those who live in villages by the coast, are the second home owner brigage who pay over the odds for houses forcing out the locals, who use their second home for 2-4 weeks per year and waltz around like they own the place.

Sorry for the thread drift.

It is great to read the more positive comments about these pubs, definately going to put them on my places to visit when I am down west again

I happen to be a Solent sailor most of the time, but have sailed my little boat to Cornwall quite often, and trailed dinghies there ( Percuil, Falmouth in general, Fowey, Towan beach to the E of St Anthony's & Portscatho will always be close to my heart ) and have always found the Cornish wonderful, welcoming people.

Embarassingly good sailors too, I will never forget my go on a Falmouth Working Boat !

It's my dream, when I win the lottery, to establish boatyards building profitable real sailors' boats in Cornwall and on the Isle of Wight; both have such criminally underused resources of skilled people, it makes me weep !
As for second homes pricing locals out of living in their own place, all I can say is 'something must be done', this can't go on; but I don't see the likes of Camerfool changing the Status Quo against his chums...

 

[Boathook]

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As for second homes pricing locals out of living in their own place, all I can say is 'something must be done', this can't go on; but I don't see the likes of Camerfool changing the Status Quo against his chums...

A lot of the homes were sold by locals for the extra money offered by non locals. I don't know the answers but it is a problem. Seeing Fowey and Polruan houses empty in late June a few years ago made me feel sad. Especially as I had been to the area (by car) from the early 60's to mid 80's a few times of year out of season to see distant relatives and their farm. I now visit by boat.

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

It's my dream, when I win the lottery, to establish boatyards building profitable real sailors' boats in Cornwall ......

Too late, Rustler Yachts already do that.

 

[Seajet]

Too late, Rustler Yachts already do that.

There are a lot of very good small outfits in Cornwall; I'd just like to create another, maybe with an emphasis on employing people rather than strictly making a profit - " It is a dream, I have " .

 

[explores]

I have been reading this thread with a heavy heart. I was born and raised in Cornwall in the 50's and 60's, and it was, and is, a magical and beautiful place. I left finally for England in my twenties, but my folks stayed there for the rest of their lives, and we used to escape back home whenever possible. My experience has been that there is a dark and melancholy side to Cornwall, which can be reflected in service, and it certainly was generally economically disadvantaged, which you only really see when living there. Having lived abroad for many years, when I looked for a place to retire to, I would have happily returned, as have some members of my family, but I realised that the place I knew no longer existed. I'll probably be shot down for saying this, but in the 70's, and 80's, it was almost impossible to find a really good restaurant. Most pubs were really just bars, but now you can't open a property paper without dreamy expositions from those who have discovered paradise, and they have my best wishes. Life there for me would be one long Victor Meldrew moment, as I saw what had been done to our favourite places. So... having made the connection through my wife's folks, for the sake of my blood pressure I'm retired in West Cork, which for me has echoes of Devon and Cornwall as they used to be. It's beautiful here, but there are days when I really do miss my home county.....

But is it not the same every where.I now live in Cornwall but come from London.I would never have moved if my home town had stayed the same.It was a nice place to live.Due to imigration over the years,lots of the houses were bought by them and the place changed beyond all recognition.Stabbings, Mugging,etc so we got out.

 

[Billy Bouy]

Poor pubs service and food

It would appear that ther is a market for a guide for sailors to be produced annually and if the pubs club etc do not perform exclude them the next issue .

 

[KevO]

But is it not the same every where.I now live in Cornwall but come from London.I would never have moved if my home town had stayed the same.It was a nice place to live.Due to imigration over the years,lots of the houses were bought by them and the place changed beyond all recognition.Stabbings, Mugging,etc so we got out.

Yeah... I think that's how we feel about 'incomers'... so where are us Cornish s'posed to decamp to then once our country has become the same as the one you ran away from?

 

[Seajet]

Yeah... I think that's how we feel about 'incomers'... so where are us Cornish s'posed to decamp to then once our country has become the same as the one you ran away from?

Cornwall has its' fair share of crime too, not surprising, it happens when people are frustrated and out of options.

While holiday homes owned by very well off types from London etc is a seperate issue - which needs to be sorted but it will take more brains and clout than I've got - people moving to the county and wanting to make a contribution shouldn't be shut out as 'otherners', Cornwall is still basically thinly populated, and if handled right new blood and business could help everyone ?

On the other hand, I never could understand Cornwall having a separatist movement, but I do now; just let me in, then pull up the drawbridge !

 

[KevO]

Mate I don't have problem with people moving down, living in and becoming part of the community... but the well-heeled second or third home (or I bought it as an investment and just rent it out don't ya know) crowd can get te feck by my book. Some beautiful vibrant communities have been decimated by that whole ideal. Look at Mousehole in that bleddy Caroline Quentine (sic?) documentary series a little while ago... come to Cornwall... buy cheap (compared to where you normally live) and suck it all up and go home after. Loads of beautiful places are so dead in the winter that the schools get closed cos there aren't many kids growing up there anymore, alongside the pubs, restaurants, garages and other businesses that just can't survive on summer season populations alone. Then the heart of the community is gone and the indigenious people get forced out. Local kids starting out can't even afford a single bed-roomed flat 'cos some other chap paid over the odds and bought it so the family could enjoy 2 weeks in July.

 

[G12]

Mate I don't have problem with people moving down, living in and becoming part of the community... but the well-heeled second or third home (or I bought it as an investment and just rent it out don't ya know) crowd can get te feck by my book. Some beautiful vibrant communities have been decimated by that whole ideal. Look at Mousehole in that bleddy Caroline Quentine (sic?) documentary series a little while ago... come to Cornwall... buy cheap (compared to where you normally live) and suck it all up and go home after. Loads of beautiful places are so dead in the winter that the schools get closed cos there aren't many kids growing up there anymore, alongside the pubs, restaurants, garages and other businesses that just can't survive on summer season populations alone. Then the heart of the community is gone and the indigenious people get forced out. Local kids starting out can't even afford a single bed-roomed flat 'cos some other chap paid over the odds and bought it so the family could enjoy 2 weeks in July.

Agreed, as a Penzance chap I can confirm that everywhere around is very dead these days except in the summer. I do believe that the second home brigade have a lot to answer for.
I earn my money elsewhere but I do try to spend it in Cornwall in order to bring some money back into the county. Every little helps.

 

[KevO]

Mate I work away too... no way I could earn the money I do if I stayed home in Kernow but the family do spend at least 3 months a year at home where poss. Gonna be moving back home soon and taking a 75% cut in earnings to do so I expect but after 20 odd years of following the flag I WANNA COME HOME!!!!

 

[explores]

Yeah... I think that's how we feel about 'incomers'... so where are us Cornish s'posed to decamp to then once our country has become the same as the one you ran away from?

It,s the govenment that will let it get like it.We did not come down here to stabb and mug people.You wont be able to decamp anywere.In years to come there wont be anywere to decamp to,but its not my fault.We felt the same as you about our home town but what could we do?

 

[Scillyboy]

Mate I work away too... no way I could earn the money I do if I stayed home in Kernow but the family do spend at least 3 months a year at home where poss. Gonna be moving back home soon and taking a 75% cut in earnings to do so I expect but after 20 odd years of following the flag I WANNA COME HOME!!!!

With all the economic turmoil, folk here in the Emerald Isle are talking about the young emigrating again, but for my money, 'twas ever thus in the further reaches of the islands. I had to "emigrate" from Cornwall to England to get any kind of career going, as there just wasn't the range of options in the county. I used to drive my old 850 Mini back frequently - down on Friday night, back on Sunday, no M3 or M4 in them days. Trouble was, I spent most of the weekend with my folks fixing the car so it would get me back again...

Seriously, the second home industry has a great deal to answer for. Very often, the dream only lasts until the kids are in their teens, and want to spend the weekends at home with their mates. Then the house is sold again, but the damage is done.

 

[jonjo]

While holiday homes owned by very well off types from London etc is a seperate issue - which needs to be sorted but it will take more brains

Tis easy to solve, add a 100% local rates surcharge on any property not occupied as the owner's primary residence or let to a tenant for 3 or more months who must also be a registered local voter. Reinforce the law with a penalty clause that would result in the local authority placing a second charge on the property at the Land Registry amounting to 10% of the property's value.

In any market place there is a fringe of people on the verge of financial distress so the doubled rates will push them into selling their holiday home. Furthermore the risk of the 10% cheaters penalty second charge taking priority over a mortgage company's interest the property would result in the banks requiring a lower LTV % as their safety buffer, this will act as a financial break on the number of new mortgages on holiday homes.

 

[BlueChip]

Earlier this year while at Helford I went for a pint at the Shipwrights Arms.

They had a few customers outside, but the service was surly at best.......
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According to reviews on Trip Advisor this place changed hands recently and is now much improved.
worth another visit maybe?

 

[Tintin]

Tis easy to solve, add a 100% local rates surcharge on any property not occupied as the owner's primary residence or let to a tenant for 3 or more months who must also be a registered local voter. Reinforce the law with a penalty clause that would result in the local authority placing a second charge on the property at the Land Registry amounting to 10% of the property's value.

In any market place there is a fringe of people on the verge of financial distress so the doubled rates will push them into selling their holiday home. Furthermore the risk of the 10% cheaters penalty second charge taking priority over a mortgage company's interest the property would result in the banks requiring a lower LTV % as their safety buffer, this will act as a financial break on the number of new mortgages on holiday homes.

And then apply the same tax to any incomers, eh?

These sort of discussions get so heated.

And how do you define "local"?

And what about the second or third homes of those cornish that have made their home eksewhere?

And what about those cornish that own several homes in the county?

Sheesh.

 

[simon barefoot]

And then apply the same tax to any incomers, eh?

These sort of discussions get so heated.

And how do you define "local"?

And what about the second or third homes of those cornish that have made their home eksewhere?

And what about those cornish that own several homes in the county?

Sheesh.

All very good points, but when you stand on Porthleven harbourside in the winter and can only see three or four lights on around the village it's enough to make your heart break. What to do? Unless indeginous populations make it untennable/unpleasant for these ultra wealthy '2 weeks per year' types then how does the balance get restored.
I'm not promoting or condoning any kind of action, merely thinking out loud...