S'ton Boat Show: Is it me???

[Sailfree]

Re: S\'ton Boat Show: Is it me???

You are probably right but I do get a bit fed up with people that prefer older designed boats (often owning one that has been lovingly restored) thinking that design has not moved on and implying that we are being forced to buy "bad" boats instead of appreciating that the manufacturers are only building what they can sell.

In practical terms there are a number of factors and I agree with Victorious that not all are good. Some fitting do seem on the skimpy side but GRP is now a better understood material and with kevlar reinforcement substantial weight savings can be made and yet still have a stronger hull (look at F1 cars strength now- albeit carbon fibre). Older designed boats probably did have better sea keeping abilities but current boats are fine for the weather we choose to sail in and will handle the old bad weather if caught out therefore the trade off giving more form stability than ballast and the advantage of volume is worth it.

I am interested in whether people would pay a little bit more for a boat say halfway between the Bav/Ben/Jen/Elan and the Swedish boats as there does seem to be a gap in the market.

 

[alec]

Re: I disagree

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To clarify .... A yogurt pot is made of an ideal material for its job.
Its shape is perhaps not perfect on the eye (and in part designed with ease of removal from the mould) , but it works quite well for it's intended application.
It is generally made only just thick enuff to contain the yogurt beyond its sell by date.

You need it explained WHY i think this is dangerous??

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In no way did I look up your details or even your name. the ‘yogurt pot’ bit came up in an earlier posting although I may have subconsciously picked your bit up.

You still seem to enjoy causing bad feeling to others by keep referring to people's boats as yogurt pots and only you know why. It's a great shame that fellow sailors need to be like this.

 

[Victorious]

Re: I disagree

I made no comment about any specific yacht or make.
nor will I.
i even stated quite clearly that my opinion seems to be so far proved invalid by the lack of bodies and bits of "yogurt pot" adrift around our coasts.
my comment was that many new boats seem poorly and very lightly built.
So much so that i would not put to sea in one.

It is indeed a great shame that sailors with 40 years expirience of construction repair and use..should show any concern for the quality of boats often sold to beginners.
far from enjoying it.. I am genuinly horrified
I wont share the pictures taken with a camera looking into gaps and voids that cannot be seen by eye
I will shut up... but will not appologise.
full stop.
End of subject

 

[Sea Devil]

Re: I disagree

Just got back from a few hours at the La Rochelle Boat Show and despite what I posted earlier I feel exactly like the original post of this tread... I went on board a wide selection of yachts in the 30-45ft range to show a friend who wants to take up sailing what was available for the money.....

Frankly they all looked alike - small differences in layout and cushion covers but basically exactly the same... All built to a price and all pretty lightweight construction with not too many coats of 'brilliant' varnish.. There was a time at boat shows when there was a wide variety of shapes and designs. Boats looked different. The price you could pay, for the same LOA, varied greatly. I suppose owning a yacht has become far more accessible to far more people and all manufactures now use the same basic design and construction formulae. And why not?

Only thing is when I was younger there was a song about 'little boxes on the hillside' For a lot of people it was exactly what they wanted and little boxes provided wonderful home... I guess the 'all the same' syndrome does a wonderful thing in allowing far more people - families to experience the joy of owning a boat.

Don't think I'll bother to go to next years Grand Pavois.

Michael

Michael