Brayman
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I thought last year was a one off and the like never to be seen again, but experience of this year all ready is very worrying.
We're off to Holland on Friday.
We're off to Holland on Friday.
State of the River
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boatone
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Another week last week dominated by Red Boards yet again, after only two days rain.
If the summer is screwed like last year, we will either move the boat elsewhere or sell it.
Mike
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Reds first appeared on Thursday and gone by Sunday so only three days but annoying nevertheless. However, its difficult to see what else can be done when the weirs are fully open? Or do you think houses and roads should be flooded in deference to boaters?
Another week last week dominated by Red Boards yet again, after only two days rain.
If the summer is screwed like last year, we will either move the boat elsewhere or sell it.
Mike
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Reds first appeared on Thursday and gone by Sunday so only three days but annoying nevertheless. However, its difficult to see what else can be done when the weirs are fully open? Or do you think houses and roads should be flooded in deference to boaters?
apollo
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If they had dredged the river in the last 20years, it would have the capacity to deal with the water without flooding.
Would have been useful to open the Jubilee River up a bit to shift it, I moor next to it, and almost nothing flowing through it Saturday.
Would have been useful to open the Jubilee River up a bit to shift it, I moor next to it, and almost nothing flowing through it Saturday.
Captain Coochie
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PEDANTIC AND IRRELEVANT, AND NOT ABLE TO DISCUSS THE REAL ISSUES. SADLY FOR A "REGULAR" YOU APPEAR TO HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND
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Now if you where talking to me i could understand but Boat1 /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I think you will find most of the things he says are facts and not just his opinion .
PEDANTIC AND IRRELEVANT, AND NOT ABLE TO DISCUSS THE REAL ISSUES. SADLY FOR A "REGULAR" YOU APPEAR TO HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND
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Now if you where talking to me i could understand but Boat1 /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I think you will find most of the things he says are facts and not just his opinion .
Flashheart
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If the summer is screwed like last year, we will either move the boat elsewhere or sell it.
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Often thought the same myself. But its sods law. Sell it and next year will be Scorching hot.
Hmm then there will be no water to boat on, back to square one.
If the summer is screwed like last year, we will either move the boat elsewhere or sell it.
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Often thought the same myself. But its sods law. Sell it and next year will be Scorching hot.
Hmm then there will be no water to boat on, back to square one.
apollo
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then there will be no water to boat on
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Precisely, that demonstrates how badly the river is being run, one minute drought, next floods.
But nice walkways at the locks...... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
then there will be no water to boat on
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Precisely, that demonstrates how badly the river is being run, one minute drought, next floods.
But nice walkways at the locks...... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
miket
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I have a sympathy with a lot that PMD said but certainly not sure of the facts.
I have been using the river in some form since 1959 and love it to bits.
The poor conditions (weather) last year and this, have certainly been a pain but not sure the blame can be laid wholly at the door of EA, nice as it would be to do so.
I have looked at the practicalities of moving the boat to Europe but until I can retire it would not suit our boating requirements. However, as soon as I can retire, hopefully within 5 years, I shall be off to Europe.
It's a bit like the roads of the UK vs EU. The South of UK is totally gridlocked most of the time but 60 miles further south in Northern France the roads are fantastic and empty.
The rivers and canals of EU are similar.
I have been using the river in some form since 1959 and love it to bits.
The poor conditions (weather) last year and this, have certainly been a pain but not sure the blame can be laid wholly at the door of EA, nice as it would be to do so.
I have looked at the practicalities of moving the boat to Europe but until I can retire it would not suit our boating requirements. However, as soon as I can retire, hopefully within 5 years, I shall be off to Europe.
It's a bit like the roads of the UK vs EU. The South of UK is totally gridlocked most of the time but 60 miles further south in Northern France the roads are fantastic and empty.
The rivers and canals of EU are similar.
pmd
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Boatone may be a "founding father" of this forum (!!!) but that doesn't by default make everything he says correct or the gospel.
byron
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Boatone may be a "founding father" of this forum (!!!) but that doesn't by default make everything he says correct or the gospel.
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You obviously didn't read what I said closely. I freely stated that I don't always agree with him. Therefore I am not saying he is 100% right 100% of the time. What I do say is that if he makes a statement he ensures his facts are right unlike some postings I have seen.
This forum is here for you to have your say but please please remember that others have a point of view too and not one that you necessarily agree with.
Since the 1990s Tony and many others have been regular contributors to the boating forums. We all were active long before the format you see today. We have all managed to get along quite nicely despite our occasional differences of opinion. Let's try and keep it that way - Please!
Boatone may be a "founding father" of this forum (!!!) but that doesn't by default make everything he says correct or the gospel.
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You obviously didn't read what I said closely. I freely stated that I don't always agree with him. Therefore I am not saying he is 100% right 100% of the time. What I do say is that if he makes a statement he ensures his facts are right unlike some postings I have seen.
This forum is here for you to have your say but please please remember that others have a point of view too and not one that you necessarily agree with.
Since the 1990s Tony and many others have been regular contributors to the boating forums. We all were active long before the format you see today. We have all managed to get along quite nicely despite our occasional differences of opinion. Let's try and keep it that way - Please!
apollo
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Quite agree, Tony and I regularly chew the cud on the phone and we disagree on a lot of this, but we are still mates.........arent we tone...........tone?
lockkeeper1964
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Would have been useful to open the Jubilee River up a bit to shift it, I moor next to it, and almost nothing flowing through it Saturday. ...
The Jubillee River has very strict guidance on it's usage. This was all set in stone prior to the channel being used.
They CANNOT divert water down the Jubilee River until the appropriate flow (measured under Maidenhead Bridge) has been reached.
There is a large dislay showing the current flow rate on a brick building near the river, just upstream of the "Shanley development". /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
The Jubillee River has very strict guidance on it's usage. This was all set in stone prior to the channel being used.
They CANNOT divert water down the Jubilee River until the appropriate flow (measured under Maidenhead Bridge) has been reached.
There is a large dislay showing the current flow rate on a brick building near the river, just upstream of the "Shanley development". /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Brayman
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There is a large dislay showing the current flow rate on a brick building near the river, just upstream of the "Shanley development". /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Can someone take a photograph of it so we know what we are looking for and exactly where it is?
There is a large dislay showing the current flow rate on a brick building near the river, just upstream of the "Shanley development". /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Can someone take a photograph of it so we know what we are looking for and exactly where it is?
apollo
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Quite so, I have moored opposite there for donkeys years and never seen it.
Has it been vandalised?
Has it been vandalised?
lockkeeper1964
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You will not see it from the River.
If you are driving/walking from Boulters Lock towards the Bath Road, you will see the building at the upsteam end of Bridge Gardens. It is set back approx 30ft from the water's edge. The display unit showing the flow rate is at waist height on the side of the building that faces Ray Mead Road.
It is about 2ft long by approx 6 inches high. You can see it from the road /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
If you are driving/walking from Boulters Lock towards the Bath Road, you will see the building at the upsteam end of Bridge Gardens. It is set back approx 30ft from the water's edge. The display unit showing the flow rate is at waist height on the side of the building that faces Ray Mead Road.
It is about 2ft long by approx 6 inches high. You can see it from the road /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
oldgit
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"Records show that the rainfall this year is no worse than previous years,"
Just out of interest can you hyperlink to the web site or indicate the publication you are referring to regards this.
It is of course important that total overall annual rainfall PA is not the deciding factor here but the freak heavy amounts of rain that have fallen in very short periods which causes the flooding.No doubt you will have taken this into account and perhaps you could go into a bit more detail regarding the available data.
Several areas of the UK have suffered from flash flooding including Yorkshire and Cornwall in the recent past.
Just out of interest can you hyperlink to the web site or indicate the publication you are referring to regards this.
It is of course important that total overall annual rainfall PA is not the deciding factor here but the freak heavy amounts of rain that have fallen in very short periods which causes the flooding.No doubt you will have taken this into account and perhaps you could go into a bit more detail regarding the available data.
Several areas of the UK have suffered from flash flooding including Yorkshire and Cornwall in the recent past.
ianc1200
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We've been cruising Straight Across on the Thames from 1956-74, and 85' to present (we sold her once & then bought her back). It always used to take 5 days or so of heavy rain to lead to strong stream conditions on the middle Thames, now it takes two days. I am still suspicious about last July, and am convinced a combination of lack of dredging, and poor management, are the causes.
Is there a programme of dredging at all anymore?
IanC
Is there a programme of dredging at all anymore?
IanC
DWT
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Apparently last Summer was the wettest for 30 years. Oldgit is right about the level of rain in a short space of time. The ground levels get saturated very quickly and there is then a large run off into the rivers.
Last Summer was extraordinary with the level of the river going up and down like a yo yo. I have assumed that the water table is high and so any new rain has nowhere else to go which is why the river seems to rise so quickly, but it would be interesting to know whether this is correct or not.
I really do not think the EA can be held responsible for the weather. If they are then perhaps they would be kind enough to arrange for it to be dry tomorrow afternoon around Basingstoke as I am playing golf then. Oh and a light breeze would be nice too
Last Summer was extraordinary with the level of the river going up and down like a yo yo. I have assumed that the water table is high and so any new rain has nowhere else to go which is why the river seems to rise so quickly, but it would be interesting to know whether this is correct or not.
I really do not think the EA can be held responsible for the weather. If they are then perhaps they would be kind enough to arrange for it to be dry tomorrow afternoon around Basingstoke as I am playing golf then. Oh and a light breeze would be nice too
apollo
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Last year was following the year that the river had to be rationed as levels were so low and I presume the ground levels too.
So if it was a 30 year event, it wont happen again this year?
I dont fancy your chances! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
So if it was a 30 year event, it wont happen again this year?
I dont fancy your chances! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
oldgit
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"now it takes two days"
Wonder if this anything to do with our building on flood plains at one end of the scale and with our obsession of concreting over our front gardens for the motor car and then decking our back gardens at the other.
Less exposed soil to soak up the rain and it all runs off instantly into the drains and hence into the river?
Wonder if this anything to do with our building on flood plains at one end of the scale and with our obsession of concreting over our front gardens for the motor car and then decking our back gardens at the other.
Less exposed soil to soak up the rain and it all runs off instantly into the drains and hence into the river?
Brayman
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Is that what you do in Kent, you should be ashamed of yourselves? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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