Starter problems

Simon_and_Tanja

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Maybe not a classic problem but I review this forum each day and it's on a classic boat ...

I could not start the Yanmar 10HP lump yesterday evening. Battery charge appeared OK (12.6V) but not a click from the starter. All that happened on pressing the start button was the ignition buzzer was silenced for about 10 seconds. Prepared for this scenario I set about with the brand new spare battery (yet to be installed) and some jump leads. Jumping the new battery in parallel with the installed unit made not one jot of a difference and solicited the same response. However when the loose battery was jumped to the regulator +ve output and an earthy point on the engine - bingo - fired up first time.

The current set-up is a simple single battery (shared domestic and starter responsibilities) routed through a master switch which seems to control everything but the bilge pump. Once started (and I disconnected the jump leads) the regulator output was up at 14.3v but there was only 13.8v across the (originally installed) battery. Poses quite a few questions...

Why would it not start on the installed battery?
Why would it not start with the two batteries paralled directly?
Why would it start when the new battery was jumped to the engine but not when it was jumped to the original battery?
Where am I losing 0.5v between regulator and battery (there shouldn't be any diodes in a single battery set-up).

With the master switch closed, surely there should be no difference between jumping the spare battery to the engine or jumping the spare battery to the installed unit? My first thought is that there must be some poor connection between the original installed battery and the engine but I am interested if anybody has alternative scenarios or some advice on how to better diagnose the issue.

I shall rewire over the winter and install separate starter and domestic batteries but for the moment, unless I can resolve this issue, I am forced to carry a loose emergency battery and jump leads. I also lie awake at night worrying that the currently installed battery is knackered and given my Stella "weaps" in places, without the bilge pump things might get very wet indeed.

Appreciate the help.
Simon
 
Hi Simon,

First of all dont panic its usually a simple thing.

SIMPLE Trouble shoot guide

a) Check the battery and connections are good
b) Check the starter soliniod connections
c) Check the negative grounding is sound to the engine
d) Check the kettle is on for a relaxing cup of tea before you start any worrying

Suspect the earthing is at fault

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Hi Simon
I had very similar problems over this summer with the 1GM10 in Border Maid. (I took ownership of the boat in May and she had been laid up ashore for 18 months or so.) In my case it turned out that: (a) The starter solenoid is prone to sticking; and (b) the battery isolator switch was on its way out. I also had a single battery installation which I have now upgraded. Coming back to the boat this past weekend after being away for nearly 3 weeks she wouldn't start even with the brand new engine start battery until I had performed 'percussive maintenance' on the solenoid (hit it with a big spanner).

Once you have checked cleaned and tightened all the connections in the started circuits, if it still happens try bridging the terminals of your isolator switch with your jump leads to see if that's where the problem lies. In my own case I have also found a new (yes new) starter for £80 and the old one will be undergoing refurbishment in due course.
 
Good idea to brush a little vaseline over all your terminals once you've cleaned them all up and engine is starting properly, this will hold the corrosion at bay.
 
Connections from battery to engine are duff, confirmed by the fact that second battery jumped directly to engine it worked, take them off the solenoid and earth connections, clean and I bet it will be fine, clean the battry terminals at the same time!
 
I'll go along with all the others who blame dirty connections. I've been amazed at how electrically-resistent even a thin coating of corrosion is. [ie, the terminals look clean but dull] All terminals have to be bright and shiny; nothing less will do. Don't be too stingy on the Vaseline, either. It will prolong the period before you have to clean everything again. Salty air is inimical to electrics.
Peter.
 
Thanks everybody for the helpful responses.

Certainly the earth connection looks favorite, given the starter and solenoid worked well with the spare battery connected directly to the engine. I will spend some time cleaning and vaselining (verb?) all the connections I can reach this weekend. Isn't the internet great.

Simon
 
Following all the advice I cleaned and re-greased the battery terminals. Hey presto! Started first time and with the engine running there is a nice healthy 14.5v across the battery. Oh so simple but thanks for all the advice.

Simon
 
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