Standing on

Exactly, it will be best to push the throttles forward to make sure you are first there, bit like a mini round about........first on, first off /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I'm not going to express an opinion; instead I'll simply recall the last couple of occasions I was leaving the River Tamar via The Bridge - which has a similar lay-out to that depicted - and spotted two large naval catamarans-at-speed running warships' crews ashore for the evening/weekend.

Their cox'ns each slowed to ensure we did not arrive at/close to the narrowest section together. I imagine that their seamanship training had them realise that there was a very strong ebb tide under us, we might not steer as sensibly as they would want, and that if any steering or power malfunction happened, a prudent mariner should ensure that s/he should not be sharing a confined channel, at high speed, with another vessel and thus have his/her range of emergency actions further restricted.

I suppose that 'the ordinary practice of seamen' ( good seamanship ) should influence who does what, and I am growing more aware of the changing handling characteristics of planing mobos, and the inconvenience when some person-in-charge without a minute to spare is constrained to pull back a couple of levers . In return, I'd rather like it if their operators were more aware of the physical damage and injury their ill-considered wash causes to others.



PS. It's actually called 'dagga', pronounced 'dacha'- as in the scottish 'loch'...... it grows wild all over Natal Province, and it really is poor quality....
 
I dont think their is room for a yacht and one of those cats too run side by side through the bridge /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif..... one tried to beat me there a couple of years ago, but eventually had to back down (We were sailing through) but I have to admit the bugger was breathing down my neck and it was only a bit disconcerting going through with him looming over me no more than a boat length behind...... I doubt if I would insist again....

and talking of wake, they leave a really nasty set....
 
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I find those little moments like that to be the most satisfying....
 
Why should the cost of running your vessel be of any concern to anyone but you?

If the cost of 30seconds politness is to much financial burden for you then you have the wrong boat and should look for something you can afford to run without endangering others. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

When we lived in the UK some of our best friends were mobo's and we all agreed that if someone is a Dhead ashore they were just as likey tobe a Dhead on the water
 
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There are of course the sand banks ( winner bank ???) that yachts from chichester go around.

I tend to turn starboard 1/2 mile before chich bar keeping my track across shallow and yacht free waters.

we converge at the sub gap like this

sorry at the feeble attempt at motoring cone, I haven't seen that many

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If that's a reasonable representation of the situation, then you are the give-way boat. If you are doing 25 knots and the other boat is only doing 6 knots, then you must have started out more than two points abaft her beam, and are therefore an overtaking vessel. And don't forget, you stay an overtaking vessel until you are past and clear.
 
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There are of course the sand banks ( winner bank ???) that yachts from chichester go around.

I tend to turn starboard 1/2 mile before chich bar keeping my track across shallow and yacht free waters.

we converge at the sub gap like this

sorry at the feeble attempt at motoring cone, I haven't seen that many



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Easy situation to resolve, we dont use motoring cones in situations like this cos we know about you, so you cant assume were motoring = get out of the way /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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. I imagine that their seamanship training

if any steering or power malfunction happened, a prudent mariner should ensure that s/he should not be sharing a confined channel, at high speed, with another vessel and thus have his/her range of emergency actions further restricted.

I suppose that 'the ordinary practise of seamen' ( good seamanship ) should influence who does what,


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Thanks for sticking your neck out with me, we are in total agreement.
I cant understand why scuttleburks try to turn everything into a troll battle.

they have agreed I am the stand on vessel.
the Yacht should easily be able to ascertain by carrying on they are going directly into the combat zone.
So why do they maintain course and speed /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I know when sailing they should stand on in most situations but this is not one of them.

Its not dangerous but it leaves me with a choice
a)
comply with col regs and stand on course and speed (remember there is no actual collision risk at this stage)

b)
ignore col regs and slow down, which adds discomfort for my crew as we become less stable and less responsive steering, it adds cost as we have to waste fuel to get back on the plane , not very environmentally friendly

I appear to be more concerned at my wash than scuttleburks, is it really an issue in open sea away from moorings perhaps I am concerned at a problem that only I perceive.


Well done on tracing Dagga, I had previously not been able to verify the story which came from previous owners, they could have spelt the boat name wrong too but we did have a few high speed run ins with men in black /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif



* The yachts are running parallel with the sub barrier as they have waited for a push from the tide and then forgotten it will take them into the barrier, catches 80% of the dummies on a spring /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
To reply to a point in the original post, I agree it makes sense to slow down sometimes and encourage a faster boat to overtake at a convenient point. It gets rid of the worry about him overtaking at a less convenient point, and if you have a yacht with a particularly deep draft, it's nice to be able to stop suddenly without causing a queue of boats to stop.
Re the submarine barrier, a question of judgement, each encounter will be different. The effect of the wash will vary with sea state, the angles of approach will vary etc.
As the yacht, there will be times when easing off the throttle is the best thing to do, I agree some sailing boat drivers don't seem to think of this.
As the power boat, if you can safely get clear ahead before the gap, then even speeding up may sometimes be best. But it doesn't take much for the situation to turn into overtaking, and then you can become give way vessel in a tight space at 20knots. I think you have to predict that the yacht will turn for the gap, putting you potentially under rule 13. Also the passage could be construed as a short length of narrow fairway, bringing rule 9 into play.
And don't forget, some character fishing in a 7ft dinghy will pop out from behind the dolphin at the worst possible moment!
Also remember the barrier is the start of QHM's domain. It is questionable whether 20kts in a narrow gap meets the harbour safe speed rules.
If something happened that wasn't your fault, but was made worse by your doing 20kts, it might be turned against you.
Take care guys, and judge each situation as it happens. doesn't hurt to try to see it from the other bloke's point of view.
 
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Thanks for sticking your neck out with me, we are in total agreement.
I cant understand why scuttleburks try to turn everything into a troll battle.

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Probably because your arrogance and drivel can't be taken seriously!
 
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