Stack Pack vs Cover

Mate, someone asked for opinions. I expressed mine. If you don't agree with me, that's fine by me. I'm not trying to find reasons why they shouldn't be popular, just saying why I'm not a fan of them. Happy?
 
DFL1010 said:
Mate, someone asked for opinions. I expressed mine. If you don't agree with me, that's fine by me. I'm not trying to find reasons why they shouldn't be popular, just saying why I'm not a fan of them. Happy?
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Was really questioning in my response the validity of your "reasons" - most of which I think are not valid - as do most people who use these devices.

Yes, Popular does usually equal good, otherwise all the people who buy them are buying the wrong thing.

Happy?
 
On previous boat I had lazykacks and a stack pac. On current boat I've got lazyjacks and sail cover. There is little extra effort associated with the sail cover and the sail looks better and being loose footed can have the effect of the clew outhaul adjustment more visible.
 
DFL1010 said:
30 year old on a 21 footer needs a stackpack? Sure...


As for the things themselves, can't stand them. They look bad when sailing, and make trimming the main a right sod. The marketing spiel of 'drop the halyard and it'll sort itself' is nonsense: to get a neat flake you've still got to have someone at the mast and someone else at the leech or creases will form where you don't want them, and then when you come to zip up it'll start bringing the leech forward, creasing the sail more, and at the worst place.
The lazyjacks make hoisting a pain too.
All in all, a good way to reduce the life of your sail, all for a saving of 5 mins per drop. Not worth it IMO.
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Horses for courses. With a 400sq ft main we wouldnt be without a stackpack and lazy jacks. We can drop the main in an instant and not have a cockpit full of sail. You just cant do that without lazyjacks and stackpack. As for sail wear, we have never had a sail worn from lazyjacks or stackpack. Our last fully battened main just went baggy from lots of use and mileage. Everyone to his own.
 
adwuk said:
We have some sewn on ties with press studs that hold the stack pack neatly when it is not in use. Might be worth considering?
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easiest of all is to have retaining velcro, keeping the flaps within the lower part of the cover.
Amazingly none of the sailmakers seem to know of this little solution.
IMHO lazyjack without the stackpack is a bike without pedals, especially with fully-battened main.
 
DFL1010 said:
30 year old on a 21 footer needs a stackpack? Sure...


As for the things themselves, can't stand them. They look bad when sailing, and make trimming the main a right sod. The marketing spiel of 'drop the halyard and it'll sort itself' is nonsense: to get a neat flake you've still got to have someone at the mast and someone else at the leech or creases will form where you don't want them, and then when you come to zip up it'll start bringing the leech forward, creasing the sail more, and at the worst place.
The lazyjacks make hoisting a pain too.
All in all, a good way to reduce the life of your sail, all for a saving of 5 mins per drop. Not worth it IMO.
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Rubbish. Does not affect you seeing what you need to see to set the sail
As for leech problem then start the zip at the mast not the end of the boom . Only an idiot would try to catch a swinging boom to start a zip off. At the outward end. Go forward. Drop the sail & zip up as you move aft again all in one operation
Lazy jack lines do not need to be removed if properly set up & do not upset sail set.hoisting sail between them is no problem at all if they are set outboard on the spreaders & the boat is bought head to wind
Like most things ( except in mast reefing)it just needs setting up right & it works ok
But if you are only talking about a 21ft dinghy then that is a different matter as a handkercheif is easy to put away i would never dream of stack pack on my squib. ( 20ft)Just take the boom off, roll the sail round it & chuck it below deck, job done
 
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jimi said:
On previous boat I had lazykacks and a stack pac. On current boat I've got lazyjacks and sail cover. There is little extra effort associated with the sail cover and the sail looks better and being loose footed can have the effect of the clew outhaul adjustment more visible.
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Loose footed and lazybag/stackpack is a fine combination
 
I agree: only an idiot would try to start a zip on a swinging boom. The trick is to stop it swinging first...

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. I don't like them, and generally find them unnecessary for small (up to 12m or so) boats, but that doesn't mean I go around telling others that their opinions are rubbish.

Shame you don't recall this thread
 
I get on just fine without either a lazy jacks or stack pack. My cover is old and worn needing replacing. It comes of at the start of a trip and only goes on again when I leave the boat on the mooring.
Loose footed, full batten main.
Just contemplating what to replace with.
Does the stack pack get in the way when reefing?

Boat length plus age 90:cool:
 
Uricanejack said:
I get on just fine without either a lazy jacks or stack pack. My cover is old and worn needing replacing. It comes of at the start of a trip and only goes on again when I leave the boat on the mooring.
Loose footed, full batten main.
Just contemplating what to replace with.
Does the stack pack get in the way when reefing?

Boat length plus age 90:cool:
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My stack pack does not interfere with reefs, the bag sits in the track on the boom
The bag has got mesh bottom in the forward part, open bottom aft kept together with webbing that have slugs fitting into the track.
 
DFL1010 said:
I agree: only an idiot would try to start a zip on a swinging boom. The trick is to stop it swinging first...

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. I don't like them, and generally find them unnecessary for small (up to 12m or so) boats, but that doesn't mean I go around telling others that their opinions are rubbish.

Shame you don't recall this thread
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Fair comment. I did jump in a bit strong ---apologies-----but i still think you are wrong
 
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It's easy and quick to stow lazy jacks out of the way so they don't interfere with the sail. See my previous post.
BlowingOldBoots said:
I don't disagree on the utility of a stack pack and lazy jacks, but more elegant than a main sail drawing without lazy jacks, or a neatly flaked sail under a fitted boom cover, I don't think so. I would concede elegance in function for a correctly designed and installed stackpack compared with flaking and fitting the boom cover.
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I looked at a video of an American guy making a stack pack. He incorporated a remote operated zipper. FANTASTIC.
Daydream believer said:
Rubbish. Does not affect you seeing what you need to see to set the sail
As for leech problem then start the zip at the mast not the end of the boom . Only an idiot would try to catch a swinging boom to start a zip off. At the outward end. Go forward. Drop the sail & zip up as you move aft again all in one operation
Lazy jack lines do not need to be removed if properly set up & do not upset sail set.hoisting sail between them is no problem at all if they are set outboard on the spreaders & the boat is bought head to wind
Like most things ( except in mast reefing)it just needs setting up right & it works ok
But if you are only talking about a 21ft dinghy then that is a different matter as a handkercheif is easy to put away i would never dream of stack pack on my squib. ( 20ft)Just take the boom off, roll the sail round it & chuck it below deck, job done
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