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RichardPerou

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I abandoned the thread about Reregistration as it had been trolled to death. My mild comment is that as I have committed the crime of retiring to the sunshine I may no longer have an SSR. If I want to keep a UK registration I have to now reregister for Part 1.

This in itelf is not a problem except it increases the tax by a factor of five. However I seem to have run into one of the last of the of the silly regulations. My standard Moody Eclipse must be meaured for tonnage. This may only be done by recognised tonnage measurer. My boat is a pleasure craft. It is a well known production model and HAS NO CARGO CARRYING CAPACITY. Nevertheless 'It is the regulations Sir" beside I might be tryin to pass off LUTRA for a container vessel.

Could some one justify this nonsense?
 
RichardPerou said:
I abandoned the thread about Reregistration as it had been trolled to death. My mild comment is that as I have committed the crime of retiring to the sunshine I may no longer have an SSR. If I want to keep a UK registration I have to now reregister for Part 1.

This in itelf is not a problem except it increases the tax by a factor of five. However I seem to have run into one of the last of the of the silly regulations. My standard Moody Eclipse must be meaured for tonnage. This may only be done by recognised tonnage measurer. My boat is a pleasure craft. It is a well known production model and HAS NO CARGO CARRYING CAPACITY. Nevertheless 'It is the regulations Sir" beside I might be tryin to pass off LUTRA for a container vessel.

Could some one justify this nonsense?
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I suppose it does establish the boat actually exists before a certificate is created. I am in exactly the same situation as you and was forced to find a local surveyor for the tonnage measurement, a simple process - so simple that I suspect my first sentence is the reason.
 
The 'tonnage' required for Part 1 is in fact a measurement of volume and, as you have been told, is a requirement. Ours was measured many years ago and the figure bears no relationship to the actual displacement or weight of the boat. My understanding is that you only need a UK address for an SSR - the vast majority of boats we see in the eastern Med are registered by this means.
 
vyv_cox said:
The 'tonnage' required for Part 1 is in fact a measurement of volume and, as you have been told, is a requirement. Ours was measured many years ago and the figure bears no relationship to the actual displacement or weight of the boat. My understanding is that you only need a UK address for an SSR - the vast majority of boats we see in the eastern Med are registered by this means.
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Just for the record SSR Part 3 is reserved for British Citizens who reside in the UK or EU citizens with a provable connection within the UK. Be careful they are now using state databases.
 
>I'am not objecting to being forced onto Part 1 with its higher tax, I object to a pointless , expensive, survey.

I can't see why you are being forced into Part 1 nobody else is and if you don't want to pay for a pointless expensive survey why are you even thinking about it. I was happy to pay for Part 1because it proves ownership and you can request to see if there is a mortgage on the boat, you get what you pay for. By the way a survey is not a tax.
 
prv said:
Isn't this you? Being (I assume) born there is a pretty strong and provable connection!
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Indeed it is, but only if it also satisfies the "within the UK bit". Or, to put it more accurately, in order to be eligible, all owners must be resident in the UK for 185 days of the year.

As has been reported on here several times, and as Richard suggests, the MCA has tightened up on the residence qualification considerably over the last year or two.
 
macd said:
Indeed it is, but only if it also satisfies the "within the UK bit". Or, to put it more accurately, in order to be eligible, all owners must be resident in the UK for 185 days of the year.

As has been reported on here several times, and as Richard suggests, the MCA has tightened up on the residence qualification considerably over the last year or two.
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More or less since the criteria of proving provenance for part I was reduced to five years. It was the only way I could get on the register after five years of ownership of my 33-year-old boat with multiple foreign owners and no paper trail.
 
Barnac1e said:
But he is non-resident and, as myself, proscribed from Part III, SSR. We are therefore obliged to resort to Part I.
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He must have stated the rule incorrectly, then. He just said:

EU citizens with a provable connection within the UK.

which he surely meets.

Pete
 
macd said:
Indeed it is, but only if it also satisfies the "within the UK bit". Or, to put it more accurately, in order to be eligible, all owners must be resident in the UK for 185 days of the year.

As has been reported on here several times, and as Richard suggests, the MCA has tightened up on the residence qualification considerably over the last year or two.
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There's what appears to be a loophole at the end.

4) What does ordinarily resident mean?
For the purposes of registering a ship it means living and sleeping in the UK for a significant part of the year. A person may be considered to be ordinarily resident in the country in which they live for a period of, or periods, which collectively amount to 185 days or more in a twelve month period. If you are resident in the UK for tax purposes, you will generally be regarded as resident for the purpose of registration.
 
Kind of with Lakesailor here. You have left the UK and therefore should not be able to benefit from the provisions in force for UK residents. The idea is that you should conform to the regulations in place for the people who live where you are living. If you don't like those, I'm not sure why you went. As a way of getting round those regulations you are trying to use a registration system invented for Ships. You either conform to the requirements of that system or don't bother. Your call really.
 
I am forced into it because I retired to live in France.

My boat is also in France and it must be registered.

All money paid to the state is a tax.

I don't need to prove my ownership. Incidentaly this boat has been on the SSR for over 25 Years

I have owned the boat for a long time and have the Bills of sale to prove it.

The survey does nothing but satisfy a bureaucratic urge never to change and maintain the work level.
 
tillergirl said:
Kind of with Lakesailor here. You have left the UK and therefore should not be able to benefit from the provisions in force for UK residents. The idea is that you should conform to the regulations in place for the people who live where you are living. If you don't like those, I'm not sure why you went. As a way of getting round those regulations you are trying to use a registration system invented for Ships. You either conform to the requirements of that system or don't bother. Your call really.
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You miss my point. I am not complaining about the loss of rights because I have chosen to live in France, As a British Citizen I have the right to register in the UK. I am complaining about a pointless survey.
 
tillergirl said:
Kind of with Lakesailor here. You have left the UK and therefore should not be able to benefit from the provisions in force for UK residents. The idea is that you should conform to the regulations in place for the people who live where you are living. If you don't like those, I'm not sure why you went. As a way of getting round those regulations you are trying to use a registration system invented for Ships. You either conform to the requirements of that system or don't bother. Your call really.
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I'm not sure which "you" you are addressing: Barncle or Richard F. I know nothing of Richard's circumstances, but Barnacle (a Swiss resident, I think) appears to have no argument with the status quo. He merely observes what it is. (And I might add in passing that 'my call' is that the tonnage measurement is daft.)

And consider the case of a person who's spent his entire working life in the UK, has paid all his taxes during that period, is now a pensioner and still paying UK taxes, but chooses to live and roam on a boat to the extent that he no longer qualifies as a UK resident: what is fair there? If you look for an official concept of fairness, you'll find that many departments that offer services (NHS, for instance) have different tests of 'residence' than those which collect your money, like HMRC.
 
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chinita said:
I shall leave it to Mr T to tell you that Part 1 does not prove ownership.
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You don't have to rely on me - just on logic. He has been told many times he is wrong, but does not seem to sink in!

It would be "proof" if it was firstly compulsory to register and secondly if it was independently confirmed so that ownership could not be legally transferred without the approval of the registrar as it is in some other countries.

Until that happens it remains just what it is - a register of title with the advantage that people other than the beneficial owners can also register an interest.
 
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