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So am I. It is just a valid observation that other areas of the world are different.
SSB Radio, or not?
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Outside Europe they have a better community spirit and far more welcome for external sailors. I first got involved in the a net because of the lack of support for a group of round the world cruisers doing the west side of the Med. How can passing sailors get to know the difficulties of Spanish weather if no one will talk to them.
In Mexico we were actively recruited to use their local net. In Australia they understand radio in their culture due to the distances and remote learning. Even the Malaysia area ran a welcome to all net. It is just the same with internet cafes in every port but why not the Med? There has to be a reason and the one I gave is from observation of European cruiser while away from their home territory. Southern English are the worst as they openly refuse to speak to some nationalities and certainly never listen first on a frequency. The Japanese, even with the language barrier, are the most polite.
Explaining to a European how a 4-way road junction works in California makes their eyes go wide. The first question is always how are they enforced. They make up stories like "the other car must have a gun" to justify why fair play is observed naturally. It is the cliques and the lack of recognition of others in the same water that distinguishes the European problem.
Just think if there was a welcome for yachts then all the othe problems with the different rules in each country could be advertised to the visitor including all the loop holes. Just arriving in the Med, even as a European, it was hard to undertand the changes to the rules. In Mexico they would have told you how to play the system and which port police were good and which were difficult. Nothing in the Med.
In Mexico we were actively recruited to use their local net. In Australia they understand radio in their culture due to the distances and remote learning. Even the Malaysia area ran a welcome to all net. It is just the same with internet cafes in every port but why not the Med? There has to be a reason and the one I gave is from observation of European cruiser while away from their home territory. Southern English are the worst as they openly refuse to speak to some nationalities and certainly never listen first on a frequency. The Japanese, even with the language barrier, are the most polite.
Explaining to a European how a 4-way road junction works in California makes their eyes go wide. The first question is always how are they enforced. They make up stories like "the other car must have a gun" to justify why fair play is observed naturally. It is the cliques and the lack of recognition of others in the same water that distinguishes the European problem.
Just think if there was a welcome for yachts then all the othe problems with the different rules in each country could be advertised to the visitor including all the loop holes. Just arriving in the Med, even as a European, it was hard to undertand the changes to the rules. In Mexico they would have told you how to play the system and which port police were good and which were difficult. Nothing in the Med.
ccscott49
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I dunno, I seem to get plenty of advice and info about ports etc in the med and how to handle the port feds etc.
On here just now theres talk about it all. In the med theres a couple or three different types though, real cruisers, retirees and visitors.
I find the visitors holiday types are a pain in the most case as they are here for a month then offski and dont give a toss about community spirit or helping each other.
Retirees seem to just want to be left alone, or are running on such low budgets are shy of entertaining.
The cruisers are cruising, so seem to help each other out. Although most of the time, help no matter how simple, tends to cost as peeps are all trying to earn a buck, even cruisers, so we tend to help ourselves more.
I have often helped folk out, but most of the time, nobody asks or just gets the work or problem solved proffesionally, maybe in more off the wall places folk help each other pout more, because thats all they've got.
I know that was true when my bruv sailed around the world a couple of times, but that was a long time ago, before charter fleets and the ARC etc. etc. I fel it's a bit of an UK malaise actually, community spirit is pretty much dead in the UK nad it shows in the people abroad.
I did find the Americans very welcoming to cross pond sailors. Plus a lot more, mind you have found a few countires in Europe very welcoming as well, in fact quite a few.
On here just now theres talk about it all. In the med theres a couple or three different types though, real cruisers, retirees and visitors.
I find the visitors holiday types are a pain in the most case as they are here for a month then offski and dont give a toss about community spirit or helping each other.
Retirees seem to just want to be left alone, or are running on such low budgets are shy of entertaining.
The cruisers are cruising, so seem to help each other out. Although most of the time, help no matter how simple, tends to cost as peeps are all trying to earn a buck, even cruisers, so we tend to help ourselves more.
I have often helped folk out, but most of the time, nobody asks or just gets the work or problem solved proffesionally, maybe in more off the wall places folk help each other pout more, because thats all they've got.
I know that was true when my bruv sailed around the world a couple of times, but that was a long time ago, before charter fleets and the ARC etc. etc. I fel it's a bit of an UK malaise actually, community spirit is pretty much dead in the UK nad it shows in the people abroad.
I did find the Americans very welcoming to cross pond sailors. Plus a lot more, mind you have found a few countires in Europe very welcoming as well, in fact quite a few.
jimbaerselman
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In general Europeans are useless on the radio wherever they are in the world.
[/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. Where do you come from then? Obviously not Europe . . .
In general Europeans are useless on the radio wherever they are in the world.
[/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. Where do you come from then? Obviously not Europe . . .
jimbaerselman
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Southern English are the worst as they openly refuse to speak to some nationalities
In Mexico they would have told you how to play the system and which port police were good and which were difficult.
Nothing in the Med.
[/ QUOTE ] Wot are all these websites and blogs then, which outline the experiences of so many yotties around Europe? Written by Mexicans?
Southern English are the worst as they openly refuse to speak to some nationalities
In Mexico they would have told you how to play the system and which port police were good and which were difficult.
Nothing in the Med.
[/ QUOTE ] Wot are all these websites and blogs then, which outline the experiences of so many yotties around Europe? Written by Mexicans?
bagshaw
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Hey there everybody, thanks for all the advice, which seems to be favourable for SSB, when crossing the Atlantic, but possibly not for European waters. It has been a useful discussion, and has helped our decision-making process along a bit. If peace could break out on the postings also, that would be wonderful!
Life is sailing and little else.
Life is sailing and little else.
KellysEye
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Once you leave Europe SSB is the lifeblood of cruising. We view it as the second most important bit of kit on the boat after the windvane.
captainslarty
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SSB is excellent - transceive
You do NOT need to spend some of the sums quoted.
A good Ham rig second hand will cost around 300 - 400 pounds, and an auto matcher around 200 - 300
Look at something like the Kenwood TS50
Take a ham radio course and not the 'official' course.
My full setup cost around 800 pounds. no need to pay more.
Have fun
Joe
You do NOT need to spend some of the sums quoted.
A good Ham rig second hand will cost around 300 - 400 pounds, and an auto matcher around 200 - 300
Look at something like the Kenwood TS50
Take a ham radio course and not the 'official' course.
My full setup cost around 800 pounds. no need to pay more.
Have fun
Joe