Spinnaker photo wanted

surely the skill is seeing the pic. then take half a dozen pics have a quick look at them and if not happy take some more.the op was just asking for some help he did not commit a crime imo you came back ott.50 quid for a lucky shot or a half hour thought out shot is good imo.not enough for a commissioned pic i agree but he was not asking for one
 
seajet: this is not a cheap shot at you or your skill.but the pic you have down loaded to me is sterile it has no movement no distorted air from its exhaust, no air vapour on its wing tips, no glimpse of the pilot.but as it has allready been said one poster at least likes it and imsure many more peeps do too.just a good thing we dont all like the same things.have a good day im off sailing
 
To the OP

browse over to www.iStockphoto.com and enter spinnaker. You'll have to sign up for an account to get some credits but you may just squeeze something in to your budget.

12 credits will cost you £14 enough for a single shot for use on a single PC. For an unlimited use you will need more like 125 credits. ( About £150 )
 
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rib said:
seajet: this is not a cheap shot at you or your skill.but the pic you have down loaded to me is sterile it has no movement no distorted air from its exhaust, no air vapour on its wing tips, no glimpse of the pilot.but as it has allready been said one poster at least likes it and imsure many more peeps do too.just a good thing we dont all like the same things.have a good day im off sailing
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That's the sharp focus effect the PR dept and various magazines & book publishers around the world liked, as it gives information about the aircraft; also anyone who knows aeroplanes will know I had a fraction of a second to take that shot as the subject was breaking away at a very high rate, as per briefing and my countdown...

I like movement too, here's Chief Test Pilot John Farley doing his thing;

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nimbusgb said:
To the OP

browse over to www.iStockphoto.com and enter spinnaker. You'll have to sign up for an account to get some credits but you may just squeeze something in to your budget.

12 credits will cost you £14 enough for a single shot for use on a single PC. For an unlimited use you will need more like 125 credits. ( About £150 )
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+1 - use them all the time.

Check the standard licence terms. Should be more than adequate for your needs. Lots of shots around the £15 mark.
 
SailorBill said:
I see nothing wrong with the OP's post and as far as I know he hasn't broken any rule or done anything illegal
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Perfectly true, they haven't done anything illegal or broken any rules, they are however guilty of taking the P, IMHO :)

Just because someone shares the same past time and frequents the same forum it's doesn't automatically entitle someone to mates rates, especially when they will be using the advantage of a cheap pic to promote their business, which presumably provides them with an income.

They still haven't offered to sell my house with their a fee of £50 going to the RNLI :D

Funny how the shoe never fits when it's on the other foot isn't it ;)

While we're on the subject.....

If there are any budding accounts out there who want to do my accounts, I'll give £50 to the RNLI for their time

My car needs a service, anyone want to wave a spanner and give it a service? Again I'll give £50 to the RNLI

We could do with a bit of decorating at home as well, just to tidy the house up before we sell it...£50 to the RNLI sound reasonable?

My topsides need a polish, rather than paying a professional to do it, I'll give £50 to the RNLI for someone on here to do it for me*

Do any of these really sound acceptable? Or because the OP was concerning my profession am I being too sensitive?

Some people will buy a Hallberg Rassy, others will buy a Bavaria, some people want quality, some want value for money, I can understand that. But will someone really give up their work (for no money and/or credit) knowing the person who they are giving it to will be using their image to make money?

Funny old world :)



*I do happen to be paying someone on here to polish my topsides, but I didn't have the cheek to ask them to do it for a donation to the RNLI
 
OK, so I'll bite.
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So when I get a tiler round to tile by bathroom and pay him a day rate to bring his tools, buy tiles for me and stick them to my wall - it's ok that they're "not really my tiles" and the tiler is just "providing license" for me to use the tiles once, in one room, but no one else can look at them and I certainly can't take them off the wall.......

You go to work, do a good job, get paid to be there, smile and walk away. If the client want's you to do 4 days post production - they'll ask. If you need to charge for cameras, include that in your cost. If you want to retain copyright, don't take the day's rate.

Photographers need to take a long hard look at their industry and their stance on copyright, the world has changed.
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All IMHO of course.
 
but all that intails new fresh work,an old pic hanging around does not. yes you are being to sensitive and if you chose a career that most peeps do for fun you must surely expect some kick back from the peeps.how many can service a car ? how many can point and shoot and after a while get a good enough pic for them
 
snooks said:
They still haven't offered to sell my house with their a fee of £50 going to the RNLI :D

Funny how the shoe never fits when it's on the other foot isn't it ;)

While we're on the subject.....

If there are any budding accounts out there who want to do my accounts, I'll give £50 to the RNLI for their time

My car needs a service, anyone want to wave a spanner and give it a service? Again I'll give £50 to the RNLI

We could do with a bit of decorating at home as well, just to tidy the house up before we sell it...£50 to the RNLI sound reasonable?

My topsides need a polish, rather than paying a professional to do it, I'll give £50 to the RNLI for someone on here to do it for me*

Do any of these really sound acceptable? Or because the OP was concerning my profession am I being too sensitive?
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I don't think the examples you give are comparable. The OP was not looking to commission someone to go out and take pictures for him. He was looking to use an amateur's photograph that had already been taken, and was offering a modest sum in return. The OP was not asking for any new time or effort to be expended on his behalf. Hardly comparable to the time and effort required to do your accounts, service your car, etc.

Yes, I do think you are being sensitive. Equally, I can understand why. But I'm not sure there is anything that can be done about amateur photographers selling the odd photo, or about people who want to buy them. I also don't see anything wrong with the practice. If the pictures are **** they won't be used. If the price offered is too low, there won't be any takers. If I were a professional photographer I'd be looking to focus my energy on taking great shots (as you already do) rather than getting wound up over something I could do nothing about.
 
GruffT said:
OK, so I'll bite.
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Photographers need to take a long hard look at their industry and their stance on copyright, the world has changed.
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All IMHO of course.
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Most (not all) photographers have moved on, and a commission fee is all inclusive.

It still amazes me that photographers charge for camera rental, they are photographers FFS:rolleyes:

Our wedding photographers just charged us a one off fee.

This included:
Two photographers for 8 hours each, retouched and PP about 400 images, 100 x 5x7 prints, they them all on the web, did a pre wedding shoot, and gave us a DVD's all the images to do with what we wanted to, except re-sell the images.

If I was to go freelance I'd do the same, usage fees for a job the client has paid for, are a thing of the past IMHO

Do the shoot, get paid, move on
 
SailorBill said:
If I were a professional photographer I'd be looking to focus my energy on taking great shots (as you already do) rather than getting wound up over something I could do nothing about.
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I opened the post thinking it was someone who might want an odd photo for a little amateur project or perhaps even their desktop screen ...

What the OP is after is someone to have produced an image suitable for use in a professional production - which will have a monetary value - £50 to the Photographer/RNLI may seem a little cheap at this point!

I understand the OP may not have the cash to splash on a pro photo right now - but the logo of a co can be very valuable too ...

Now, if anyone wants to provide a photo for the £50 fee/donation then it is entirely up to them. For PD and Snooks I can understand the frustration - what was a good market has been considerably encroached on by the amateurs - to the point where images are almost considered worthless - a situation not helped by the OPs post!
 
If I were the OP - I'd be feeling a bit peeved by now.

AFAICT he posted a request, offering money in good faith, and got rubbished for his efforts. Professional photographers may value their work at a higher value, but he doesn't deserve to be derided in the way Snooks et al. did. If he's below your budget, just don't respond. There are plenty of am. photographer that would be pleased to see their shots used in public.

For what it's worth, I think there's nothing wrong in charging highly for your work - if that's what you think you want for it. Good photography takes time, practice and equipment to set up and execute, so go for it. But don't rubbish anyone who values a photograph differently.
 
fireball said:
For PD and Snooks I can understand the frustration - what was a good market has been considerably encroached on by the amateurs - to the point where images are almost considered worthless - a situation not helped by the OPs post!
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But whose fault is that? Many photographers haven't understood that the world has moved on. Why should photography be any different to any other service industry where the photographer is paid for doing a service and that's it? This idea of holding on to copyright and charging over and over for an image is antiquated and 'old school'.
The OP meant no disservice to Snooks and PD (or anyone else I'm sure). Why the mauling?
 
fireball said:
For PD and Snooks I can understand the frustration - what was a good market has been considerably encroached on by the amateurs - to the point where images are almost considered worthless - a situation not helped by the OPs post!
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I agree. But in the grand scheme of things the OP's post won't make a blind bit of difference. Technology is having a negative effect on an industry. That's nothing new. If you're in an affected industry all you can do is a) hang in there as long as possible, b) diversify or c) get out. The worst thing to do is try to fight a losing battle.
 
snooks said:
Our wedding photographers just charged us a one off fee.

This included:
Two photographers for 8 hours each, retouched and PP about 400 images, 100 x 5x7 prints, they them all on the web, did a pre wedding shoot, and gave us a DVD's all the images to do with what we wanted to, except re-sell the images.
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So, not just a one off fee then. Why should you be prevented from selling your photos?
snooks said:
Do the shoot, get paid, move on
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Or not, it seems...
 
snooks said:
Funny how the shoe never fits when it's on the other foot isn't it ;)
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Reminds me of a young teacher who wanted work through the summer holidays on one of my building sites. "Of course, as long as can get a job teaching in your school when we all get snowed off in the winter." We never saw him again.
 
Having stopped ranting.... I would say that the guys who sit in the solent all day in the hope that someone will buy their pictures, they can keep all the copyright they like and deserve a medal.
 
You are all missing the point, "photographers should move on" I read. Everyone, but everyone wants to buy cheaply, but they will want top dollar when THEY come to sell something or some service.

Lets not forget that the OP wants the photo for a BUSINESS VENTURE not as a private individual. I bet any money he wont be doing charitable deals whatever service his business sells.
 
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