'Sound Signals'

Re: \'Sound Signals\'

Observer
Franjly you seem to be incapanle of answering a straight quesyion in which the narow and impeded is stated as a fact and then the question asked.

I was happy to discuss your points but mneed a base to do it on.

Its pointless discussing anything with you.
 
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But Daka's boat is only 10-11m (it probably grows depending on the channel width! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) .... so unless we have a difference in exchange rates between Imperial and Metric then that is only 33-36 foot - which is at least 14' and up to 24' shorter than your question ... so does fall outside the OP's gambit where he was only asking about appropriate sound signals ...

As for the tail end charlie in a dinghy race - dinghy races are on handicap - so he could well be leading the race - from behind .... and lost it in critical seconds by having to go around Daka's backside ...
 
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Gludy

Frankly you didn't bother to give me a straight answer to the question I posed either ... so not point arguing with you.
Not only that but you frequently move the goalposts - are you sure you're not my boss?
 
Re: \'Sound Signals\'

Fireball
I am simply amazed and shocked at your attitude.

If this is what kids learning to sail are being taught then no wonder there a re problems.

I have been stopped in a narrow channel with sailing boats coming at me from every angle including overtaking, beam on and crossing my bow in both directions. Whilst stationary in a 60 foot boat some have collided with me etc.

I suppose according to you I should have had helecopter blades fitted so I can lift myself out of there. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

In practice, as I have already stated, I do my best to stand off, hold station and let the race finish in front of me regardless of who is the stand on vessel. However with the tones expressed on this thread, whilst I will still try and do that whenever possible, It will not be with the same attitude as before because I think there is a raggie arrogance that I very much dislike.

As I am about to become a raggie I promise all MoBos that I will be one of those rare species that actually puts up a cone when under power and has some understanding for your position in circumstances such as have been discussed on this thread.

A hope to become a raggie without the arrogance that a sail seems to produce with some! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Fireball
I gave you a precise answer to your question which seemed top assume that causing a boat confined to a narrow channel to turn 180 degrees was not impeding it!!!!

Tell me what in your question I did not answer? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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when you are motor sailing how are you going to ensure your cone can be seen by all and sundry?
 
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You seem to have take offence at the suggestion that Mobo skippers could do a lot to reduce the chances of encountering a fleet of racing boats, which was a counter suggestion that racing was restricted to certain times .... can't see a problem in that - because if racing was restricted to certain times then you _could_ derive from that that the racing fleet has more right to use all the water available at the time because they are time restricted whereas mobos are not.

frankly I'm shocked and appalled that you are shocked!
 
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I said: [ QUOTE ]
I think I've answered all your questions - but before you repeat your last line can you make it clear as to which of your questions you believe I haven't answered honestly? (you didn't say clearly! )

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To which I received no answer ....
 
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when you are motor sailing how are you going to ensure your cone can be seen by all and sundry?

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I am gradually becoming more and more amazed at this discussion - its as if I have entered a parallel universe populated only by raggies /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I hope your question is not another justification for breaching colregs yet again?

The answer is by hoisting up or clipping as per colregs on the forestay. That, without checking is what I think Colregs require.

I am only a novice with sail and despite doing many thousands of sea miles on a MoBo the actual appearance of a cone on a sailing boat under power is so rare that I have not had much experience is how to put it up......


Where do you mount yours when you are motoring in a sailing boat? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Do you always mount one when under power?
 
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Do you always mount one when under power?

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The obvious answer ....

yes ... and sometimes a cone as well! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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The obvious answer ....

yes ... and sometimes a cone as well!

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Well there you go, A raggie once again trying to exert themselves in the stand on position regardless of how they impede another..... say no more.

You seem to be a hard man Fireball /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Its pointless discussing anything with you.

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There's not been any willingness to debate/discuss on your side. You make a series of unsupported assertions - "the channel IS narrow", "mobo IS impeded" as though, simply by saying that is the case, you have proved that the rules (rule 9 in this case) are "very clear". It's called "begging the question".

If:

- as a matter of established fact (not opinion), in the light of all relevant conditions and circumstances, the channel is "narrow";

- as a matter of establshed fact (not opinion), in the light of all relevant conditions and circumstances, a given vessel can "navigate safely" only within that channel;

then, but only then, rule 9 requires that its passage shall not be impeded by a sailing vessel or a vessel under 20m in length.

However, you don't get there until the preceding questions have been answered in the positive, and that reguires considerable subjective assessment. Even then, there is room to debate what "shall not impede the passage of" means, in practice.
 
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Dont get too excited Paul, its very much a male dominated sport !

Thanks for the earlier offer of a crewing vacancy Fireball but I am a family MAN.



I used to hate the showers after a race, the same cruise section boys would always be loitering around /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif




Not meant as a serious post
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Re: \'Sound Signals\'

DAKa
I will have at least three showers on board because I have heard about these rag and stick people.
I will also have a sign over the saloon entrance stating that used to be real bioaters - Motor Boaters - do you think that will work? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Re: \'Sound Signals\'

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There's not been any willingness to debate/discuss on your side. You make a series of unsupported assertions - "the channel IS narrow", "mobo IS impeded" as though, simply by saying that is the case, you have proved that the rules (rule 9 in this case) are "very clear". It's called "begging the question".

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My question was based on it being a narrow channel and the boat constrained to it.

I made it clear that I was happy to discuss what defines a narrow channel and the boat contrained to it once we had the basic acceptance of if that was the case the MoBo was the stand on vessel,

Basically the rule is common sense.

Out at sea those sailing boats would all be stand on except for any overtaking ones.

Out at sea the Mob can go around them and carry on its way.

In a channel which constrains it, it cannot do that the sailing boat crossing that channel would impede it and hence the rule allows for this.

I totally accept there is more to it than that but in order to get anywhere is a discussion there has to be an agreed base but at no time would you answer the question that if it was a narrow channel and if the coat could not leave it and if the sail boat crossing would impede it that in that case there was a direct rule applicable which made the MoBo the stand on vessel.

Hence further discussion was impossibnle.
 
Simple question.

If you are not showing the correct day signal, how can the other vessel (sail or motor)know you are constrained by your draught in relation to the depth of water available?
 
awol said:
But has DAKA managed to obtain, read and understand a copy of the IRPCS in the last 4 years so that he knows enough to not start such threads?
Click to expand...

I have gained a lot in the last few years :)

1) upgraded from 400 hp to 600 hp
2) added several displacement tonnes
3) got a bigger horn
4) replaced old anchor with shiny new danforth (I now have a cross hair sight on the bow)

I am now much better placed to transit heavily congested areas :D




not meant as a serious post :p
 
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