Sorry more newbie questions - main sheets

Spirit of Glenans said:
Your lack of knowledge of how a boat should be rigged indicates that you also know little or nothing about sailing and the potential dangers to which you will be exposing yourself and your children. PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE A SAILING COURSE, or at the very least, buy and read a sailing manual (not a dinghy-sailing one, but one detailing the Rules of the Road, chartwork, pilotage etc)!
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I appreciate your concern but to clarify I am currently doing the theory day skipper and will be doing the practical later in the year once I've had a few more hours sailing. I have quiet a few sailing manuals some of my op was tongue in cheek (I did know what a traveller is) but on several other things with the boat I have discovered asking here can some times be more helpful. I have also found the names in the book aren't always the same with chandlers. As for actually going out sailing I'm not venturing forth in my boat with out more experience friends. I now have three that are willing to give up their time and help me out, not counting the offers I've had on the forum.

I have sailed in the dim and distant past but after my 1st trip out (with aforementioned friend) realised how much I didn't know. I have change the original plan of a couple of trips then I'll know what I'm doing and now realised it will take a lot of trips before I go solo with the family. I have spent a lot of time reading reports of what happens to inexperienced sailors something that should be made compulsory!

I hope that puts your mind at easy and sorry if I was appearing a bit flippant - a bad habit of mine!
 
Eric79 said:
I hope that puts your mind at easy and sorry if I was appearing a bit flippant - a bad habit of mine!
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Someone some where on here has a quote about old bold sailors, often over used but does not make it less correct. Just remember as skipper you are ultimately responsible, and things can go wrong so easily as it seems you are learning :D.

Be careful, if you have good friends teaching you I would not worry to much about lessons.

Your right bits of boats often have different names I do not blame you for asking on here you will get lots of adviceand do not get in the habit of being flippant with the sea it has a habit of biting back :o
 
Eric79 said:
I appreciate your concern but to clarify I am currently doing the theory day skipper and will be doing the practical later in the year once I've had a few more hours sailing. I have quiet a few sailing manuals some of my op was tongue in cheek (I did know what a traveller is) but on several other things with the boat I have discovered asking here can some times be more helpful. I have also found the names in the book aren't always the same with chandlers. As for actually going out sailing I'm not venturing forth in my boat with out more experience friends. I now have three that are willing to give up their time and help me out, not counting the offers I've had on the forum.

I have sailed in the dim and distant past but after my 1st trip out (with aforementioned friend) realised how much I didn't know. I have change the original plan of a couple of trips then I'll know what I'm doing and now realised it will take a lot of trips before I go solo with the family. I have spent a lot of time reading reports of what happens to inexperienced sailors something that should be made compulsory!

I hope that puts your mind at easy and sorry if I was appearing a bit flippant - a bad habit of mine!
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That's a relief!
Fair winds!
 
If that is all you have, then the shackle is to attach to the fitting on the boom and the block to the slider. All that gives you is a single sheet from boom, through the lower block and back to your hand! No mechanical advantage nor means for securing the sheet end. Suggest the single swivel block at the boom and a fiddle single becket and cam on the slide. Sheet from the becket up to the swivel then back down to the fiddle block giving a 2:1 purchase and the ability to make the sheet off in the cam.
 
Eric79 said:
ok taken some pictures and measurements

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Many would suggest you save the blocks and shackles, and dispense with the rest. You will most likely find that an arrangement like this will do the job admirably....

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Note that is a '4:1' purchase. You can readily get a '3:1' purchase, which will also do the job, and any dinghy chandler will sell you the necessary items. Just avoid the needlessly-expensive 'top of the range' kit. Cheap is certainly cheerful for your task. Have an ask around any dinghy club, and you'll probably be given some - and a hand to rig the mainsheet to suit. Were you closer than 'a tank of petrol' I'd happily do so myself, but there are several forumeers much closer to you.
 
You really need someone to have a look. Perhaps your dinghy sailor friend can suggest what to do.
That track is on the bridgedeck which means your mainsheet is attached mid-boom. Does the loop you refer to really form the mainsheet attachment or do you need a boom claw? Is the loop for the kicking strap?
Barton blocks are cheap and perfectly good, but the one you have isn't going to provide much mechanical advantage. You will probably need a 4 part assembly like Oldbilbo suggests as you are sheeting in from halfway along the boom.

Ignore the knackered old sail, this was it's last day. That is a boom claw with the mainsheet going down to a bridgedeck mounted traveller. Kicking strap is nearer the camera.

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I think you will find that the complex double pulley with cam cleat and becket is well worth buying. The main sheet is something you will really work with when the wind comes up. On my 21 fter I use 2 single pulleys (like what you have) to that kind of bottom pulley. One single is spaced slightly forward of the other.
With the track on the bridge deck you will need a fair bit of purchase (3 might be OK but only just.) because you are pulling near the middle of the boom. I have attached my main sheet blocks with 2 loops of webbing sewn. This means less fittings likely to damage heads. This is OK for non roller reefing (slab reefing is far better) and loose footed main sail. ie the sail does not go into a track along the boom but is simply stretched out along the boom. So a gap between boom and sail. The webbing means no holes in the boom for cracks to start.
The kind of track you have is a type more commonly used for jib sheet pulley positioning. I don't imagine your sheeting attachment car would slide very easily under load. What you need is the H type ali track with a car with ball bearing wheels that can slide /roll under tension. If youb do buy a better track make it as wide as possible ie right out to cockpit sides.
Then you have a 3 to 1 tackle at each end to move the car under load. No need for that now as the main sheet will be fine centred and left there. I found on my little bvoat that with 4 to 1 purchase and a strong son he could actually lift and distort the bridge deck so I fitted wire stays under neath from the middle down to the bunk side. good luck olewill
 
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