Soltron - Anyone?

Doesn't seem that complex. Looks like Japan developed it, and licensed it to the Indian operation and to Northern Ireland (the lot I understand Dom distributes for).

There appears to be a legal dispute between Japan and a US company over trademark infringement. The US lot uses the Soltron name and sells the product throughout Europe under a different name (Xbee).

What is curious is that none of the 'legit' (i.e. Japan/India/UK) websites use a consistent logo, and teh US logo is different again, although all four bear enough similarity to be recognisable.

More curious yet, the US company appears to be in league with an Australian operation (Dominion Capital Pty). It would be interesting to know if there's any tie up between these guys and Liquid Engineering Pty, the Australian manufacturer of FuelSet, though...

As to Dom's reticence to spill, I suspect that lawsuits are pending, and Dom may be privy to confidential info on this ane and cannot speak out lest he prejudice any suit.
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Sorry - what are you on about now? If your referring to the fact I've been doing a test for PBO (at the request of Jake ) on fuel magnets over the past year, yes that is true. As to claiming they clean diesel I've no idea where you get that from. Not from me! And BTW they were supplied and fitted free! Would I buy them? Certainly not! The indications over a running period of 200 hours is that they do bugger all! Shown no improvement what so ever. Mind you, the injectors have not been removed to see any claimed "cleanliness" they may have enjoyed. Photographs of the injectors were taken at the start of the test, so there will be before and after comparison.

While you may have read, or whatever it is you do, that magnets don't work, I at least have personal experince of the fact, the same as I have that Soltron has worked in my particular case.




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Similar conclusions to Wiggo....

Brendans question was fair enough, and if there are any patent, trademark, OFT , commercially sensitive etc issues, it is perfectly fair ( and correct) for Dom to keep quiet.

Facts are for original poster, I have never heard/read of any -ve feedback on the product and lots of +ve stuff . Only potential confusion for customers can be :-

a) Which Soltron did I buy last time ( this being an International BB)? How do I make sure I get the same next time? Who do existing happy customers get their supplies from?
b) Is xbee better value ?



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The Difference

Right seeing as the Soltron/xbee MSDS has been posted on the web we can now disect this information and compare it to Soltron Irelands.

Firstly XB flashpoint is 65.5 Deg C Soltron is 15 Deg C proving its combustion is at a lower heat range.

Secondly XB is listed as Allphatic Petroleum Distillates (ie Kerosene) and Proprietary Organic Compounds (enzymes) now the first part APDs also contains Benzene and Toluene. Soltron has only Kerosene with plant bio enzymes in suspension. Why has XB got Benzene and Toluene? because the formula is not as good as the Soltron you buy from Ireland and they have had to add these extra more hazardous items that are known to cause CANCER and REPRODUCTIVE HARM to make up for the deficit in the enzyme chain.

So initially it does not seem that there is much difference on the surface but a little digging will show that XB formula probably does not contain enough enzymes to do what Soltron Irelands can do and therefore is not as good or effective. Adding extra hazardous substances to the product only means it is more harmful to the user and by adding these they are substituting for a loss in something.

I do have something to hide, its called confidentail information, it means I can keep a secret and dont have to prove myself by putting it out on a forum. There is some information I can release and some I cant, obviously something you find difficult to understand. Its not a game its serious business, one that extends further than you can comprehend and is used in areas you would not believe.

The use of Soltron in the marine world has been brought about by a few people who know the product works well in this environment, one of which posts on this forum and I think if my memory serves me correctly was the person to discover how well it actually did work. The other few involved have put alot of hard work and effort to make it available in small quantities and in the public market otherwise it would have been lost in the large corporate world and never appeared on the shelves and no one would have ever heard of it. So this is no GAME.

Break down of the word ASSUME is it makes an ASS out of U and ME so I would prefer if you took your assumptions elsewhere now that you have some information on the differences. I dont know what all the fuss is about any way it does what it needs to do.

If you think the other is better then go and buy it but from what I gather is you have bought neither but like to stir the pot when talking about it with having no practical experience of using either product.

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If that doesnt put a lid on it nothing will! Excellent explanation, thankyou Dom.

But I suspect somebody will try and stir it again,

I wonder who that will be??

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Thanks, its the best I can do for now, one day there will be a full explanation but not this ay. As the clever people of the forum have gathered there are certain items refraining me from making comments but all my hints to Brendan were being ignored or the penny was just not dropping.

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I cant understand what all this interlectual stuff is all about. Does it really matter if its made of nats pee??

Dom gave me some a few years ago. When I got back to Plymouth the boat came straight out the water for a prop change. As it happened my mechanic was on the boat when it went back in. I started the engines and he said. Wheres all your smoke gone!! So I got dom to send me some more. But to make it worth while I bought, I think 30 bottles, cos no one could get it here. And I sold the rest to you lot.

Plus I no longer change filters mid chanel.

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It wasn't that interlectual. was it?

I think what you meant to say was:-

' I don't care if some other lot are using a similar/same name and the product is different. I get mine from Depsol and it works'

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...Firstly XB flashpoint is 65.5 Deg C Soltron is 15 Deg C proving its combustion is at a lower heat range....

So Soltron flashpoint is 15C, even though "Soltron has only Kerosene with plant bio enzymes in suspension..."

I'm no Chemist, but a list of flashpoints <A target="_blank" HREF=http://bioengr.ag.utk.edu/safety/safetyplan/10chemweb/flamtable.htm> here</A>

says kerosene has a flashpoint of 100-162F (37C-72C)


How can Soltron have a flashpoint so much lower than Kerosene if there's nothing but Kerosene & enzymes in it?.



IF xb has benzene & toluene in it, both of which have much lower flashpoints than Kerosene, shouldn't xb's flashpoint be lower than Soltron's , not 50C higher?.


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Secondly XB is listed as Allphatic Petroleum Distillates (ie Kerosene) and Proprietary Organic Compounds (enzymes) now the first part APDs also contains Benzene and Toluene..."

Understand that apd's include kerosene,benzene & toluene.....but the msds doesn't show that xb contains benzene & toluene, does it?....just that it's 99.5% apd's, a class of substance that includes them.




& aren't bezene & toluene widespread in unleaded petrol?


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Actually thats exactly what you did say, I understood it anyway! Tried to say it earlier, but the lights were on, but nobody was at home, on this occasion anyway.

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1)Does Xbee work? Yes/no
2)Does Soltron work? Yes/no
3)Does Xbee work better than soltron? Yes/no
4)Does xbee cost less than soltron? Yes/no

Right, if yes to 1, yes to 3, yes to 4, Use Xbee
If yes to 2, no to 3, no to 4, use soltron

Simple innit!

You can of course argue that soltron works better than xbee so is worth more, but the decision making process is similar. Basically work it out for yourselves, you are intelligent folks, aren't you?

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Without saying too much I am reading it from the MSDS and I have not read it wrong. If you look at the MSDS you posted the link to and go further down to point 15 you will see it printed there.

I am no chemist either so we have two choices, let the would be chemists debate why its lower or just leave the facts as they are.

Benzene and Toluene are performance enhancers and from what I understand are ok in Petrol engines however the subject of seal life has to come into question with marine diesel engines that is why those items are on the list for substances to be BANNED from MARINE FUELS.




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Real Soltron, please stand up!

Thanks for an explanation Dom that I'm not really sure for what reason it was required, it seems your product works, certainly my experience with a very "queer" fuel situation this summer, proves that for me. For one I wasn't aware there was more than one Soltron.

However !! Please advise where the best place to acquire YOUR strain of Soltron is! Again this may not be commercially possible, due to distributor fairness etc, but is there anything on the particular packaging that will absolutely identify any "SOLTRON" as YOUR SOLTRON, so to speak?? Hope this makes sense?? Thanks in advance. Paul

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Gods, you've got me wondering now. Dom, how is the real stuff packaged? I used to buy it in Christchurch from the guys at the model shop, and it can in a simple screw top bottle. But the last lot I got was from Windsor Marina, and was in those fancy tubs with the measured dispenser thing on the top...

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Re: Real Soltron, please stand up!

Now thats interesting, would "the guys at the model shop" be the same guys in Ocean Village on Bandit , a rather large dutch motor cruiser, nice family, seem to recall they had a model shop. Yet they have a big board advertising "Soltron" on the back of the boat usually. My brains going to overheat in a minute with all this intrigue!! Paul

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Guys in Christchurch are Kayfor and they are on the Soltron retailers list on the web.

Bottles have changed now to the ones withthe dispenser mounted on top rather than a spare plastic cap.

New label and bottle sizes being launched in the new year.

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Re: Real Soltron, please stand up!

No, don't think so. The Christcvhurch lot is called Kayfor Environmental Services. They just happen to share premises with a big R/C model shop called Lesro Models. Not at all Dutch, AFAIK. Or bandits.

From the price of the stuff, I think it must be Dom that wears the Musto tricorn hat and black mask... ;-)

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