Solid Fuel Stove Recommendations?

Solid Fuel Stove

We have fit a Faversham stove made and sold by Colin Frake, just google and it will pop up. Excellent piece of kit, warms a 32' motor sailor to a treat has a very small footprint and a deep firebox which will stay alight for 7-8 hours if you set it right, hope that this helps.
 
'elf and safety warning for all solid fuel stove fans - just make sure you fit a good CO detector in your boat. Don't want any toasty warm cadavers sat in their saloon! Obvious I know but they can be lethal if there is poor airflow.
 
powbongo said:
We have fit a Faversham stove made and sold by Colin Frake, just google and it will pop up. Excellent piece of kit, warms a 32' motor sailor to a treat has a very small footprint and a deep firebox which will stay alight for 7-8 hours if you set it right, hope that this helps.
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The Faversham is a very well designed and well made little stove, unlike some others that look a bit like it. Highly recommended from experience with a friend's boat.
 
Boo2 said:
That's a good idea but I'm still interested to know what recommendations exist for distances between flus and vents if anyone knows ?

Boo2
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I think you'd want a tall extension (chimney, that's the word!) on the flue when in use, to avoid black s**t all over the deck etc.


s**t = soot obviously.

I think for a balanced flue gas boiler it must be a metre from a window if that is at all relevant?
An open loop flue will be worse because it actively draws air into the vents.

Aren't these things a recipe for dirty sails, rigging etc? Especially burning wood.
 
sarabande said:
Perhaps we need a forum standard boaty-designed stove ? :)

The maker of those stoves (and similar makers) says he can adapt and enlarge them as required.

One thing for a house is that a flue might require a damper, as a normal domestic draught might be too much for a wee stove.
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This information may help with some of the basic installation questions, check out the soliftec link on this page
http://staysafe.boatsafetyscheme.com/solid-fuel-stoves-on-boats/owning-using-a-stove/new-stove-new-chimney

And this may help with the CO alarm placement questions http://staysafe.boatsafetyscheme.com/media/180329/co%20safety%20on%20boats%20final%20%28web%29%20june%202012.pdf

Regards
Rob
 
Please forgive me for blowing my own trumpet but I wrote a fairly comprehensive article on selecting, and most, important installing, a solid fuel stove in Classic Boat when it was still in the IPC stable.

One point that I made was that if you intend to use your stove under way you want the flue to emerge in the slot between mainsail and foresail - if you have the stove at the fore end of the saloon this is easy enough. If you get the flue under the boom on one or other tack the downwash of air off the mainsail will fill the saloon with smoke.

You also want to try to ensure that the cabin is relatively a high pressure area - stow a folding sprayhood, etc.

Yes, you will benefit from an extension flue to take the flue about 18" to 2ft clear of the deck. This is usually arranged by having the smoke head detachable and having a cap for the flue. The H shaped head is the best for sea use; failing that the Liverpool head is not bad. Remember this needs to ship OVER the section of flue that passes through the deck water iron.
 
Newport Dickinson

That is a good charcoal heater, with the advantage that you can open a little grille and see the fire! I have one, important that you burn charcoal not bbq briquettes (too hot, horrible ash). But possible to keep it going all night no prob.

The Faversham stoves are good but quite large and heavy. believe the Pansy is also very good

Graham
 
fergie_mac66 said:
we hav not got one but thinking about where to put one . What i like is the small flu dia
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With such a small flue pipe, it is critical to burn only the fuel recommended by the manufacturer (and no rubbish) and to keep the pipe swept routinely.

A sailor died from carbon monoxide poisoning on board his small yacht in Dartmouth harbour in recent times. The inquest found that the flue pipe was almost totally blocked.

And while considering where to locate the installation, I believe it was last year when another sailor moored in an Essex harbour lost his home and his belongings when items stowed next to the flue pipe of his charcoal stove caught fire.

These stoves may be tiny but they have to be treated with just as much respect as the larger wood-burners and multifuel stoves.

Regards
Rob
 
Can some one check my math?

It is now known that solid fuel stoves consume huge amounts of oxygen in use.
BS 8511 Code of Practice published a revised ventilation formula to take account of this factor and it introduced new value for stoves known as 'H'.
This is how the minimum ventilation area in mm² is now calculated:

2200 x (U) the input rating of all unflued fuel burning appliances, in kilowatts

Spinflow Nielson 4x1.5kwx2200= 13200

+ 440 x (F) the input rating for open-flued fuel burning appliances, in kilowatts
Nil

+ 550 x (H) the nominal output rating of open-flued solid fuel appliances, in kilowatts
Atkin Pansey = 1x 2.4kwx 550? = 1320

+ 650 x (Berths) the number of persons for which the accommodation space is designed

= 8 x 650 = 5200

Total = 19720 Ventilation Area mm2

= one square hole vent 14.01cm x 14.01cm.

Is that the actual open area or just size of the vent? Makes a signiifcant difference.

The fact that the chimney on most of these fires are not to regulation is a different story..
"Use insulated chimney sections inside and outside of boat. They should be of the diameter recommended by the stove manufacturer, and never less than 100mm."

Have I missed something?
 
onesea said:
Can some one check my math?

It is now known that solid fuel stoves consume huge amounts of oxygen in use.
BS 8511 Code of Practice published a revised ventilation formula to take account of this factor and it introduced new value for stoves known as 'H'.
This is how the minimum ventilation area in mm² is now calculated:

2200 x (U) the input rating of all unflued fuel burning appliances, in kilowatts

Spinflow Nielson 4x1.5kwx2200= 13200

+ 440 x (F) the input rating for open-flued fuel burning appliances, in kilowatts
Nil

+ 550 x (H) the nominal output rating of open-flued solid fuel appliances, in kilowatts
Atkin Pansey = 1x 2.4kwx 550? = 1320

+ 650 x (Berths) the number of persons for which the accommodation space is designed

= 8 x 650 = 5200

Total = 19720 Ventilation Area mm2

= one square hole vent 14.01cm x 14.01cm.

Is that the actual open area or just size of the vent? Makes a signiifcant difference.

The fact that the chimney on most of these fires are not to regulation is a different story..
"Use insulated chimney sections inside and outside of boat. They should be of the diameter recommended by the stove manufacturer, and never less than 100mm."

Have I missed something?
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The forward to BS8511:2010 excludes these type of micro stoves from its scope although it also states that stoves of that size should be installed as far as possible in accordance with the Code of Practice.

In regard to the vent calcs, with vents, its always the free air space and thus slightly less than the hole allowing for louvres and other impediments to airflow.

The chief thing is the the final value should then be halved to get the figure for high level ventilation and the same for low level ventilation. Low level ventilation can be achieved through the use of ducts to take air from head heigh outside to low level inside.

If the ducting can end somewhere near the back of the stove, it will reduce cool drafts across the floor or your feet.

And no apologies for repeating that smoke and co alarms are very highly recommended. About a third of CO incidents we record are linked to the use of solid fuel stoves and again solid fuel stove use is also linked to a high proportion of boat fires on inland boats.
 
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sarabande said:
The Joint Bath and Exmoor Massive (of the forum) is in the process of building a similar one to this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/gypsy-car...086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a256436ee

with guard rails and steel outer cover, and mods to make it adaptable to live afloat, such as a chimney with a screw cap.


We are past the prelim design phase and waiting for the steel to arrive for welding up. :)

Price (minus chimney kit) shoudl be around £120 (X fingers)
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Sarabande- you must be very popular, tried to PM you but it says your inbox is full.
How did the wee stove turn out?
 
I have been using woodburners for years and I can highly recomend KP Stoves.. Hand made steel units of the highest quality, woodstove.jpg

This is a little 3kw Lodge stove I bought a few days ago.. He also makes bespoke burners, Delivery is about 3 wks to a month, I have spoke to him on the phone and I'm pleased to annonuce he is a proper nice fella..

Nice workmanship at good prices.. (Now there is a rare thing) http://www.kpwoodburningstove.co.uk/

I paid £182 for the unit which inc Delivery
 
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