Solent Gridlock

Update: managed to squeeze into Lymington Yacht Haven after one of those odd conversations that started with "No, we definitely aren't operating a waiting list" but somehow moved on to "What did you say your boat name and length was?".

Turning up at 11:55am probably helped ��
I've been told sometimes by marinas to turn up on the day and there will be a place. They know that a lot of berth holders will be going out, they just don't know exactly how many until the day, so can't take bookings.
 
Some will let Raggies in but turn Mobos away - this has happened to me at Yarmouth

Was that a recent issue at Yarmouth or some years ago?

I'm a Harbour Commissioner there, and I'll escalate it if is happening currently.

Otherwise agree that marinas need to incentivise berth holders for notifying overnight absences. We berth in East Cowes, and before now they've rung me up having heard us on 80 taking to Lymington…. The Solent gridlock seems to be getting worse over the last decade, and with Cowes fairway being full of racing day boats under sail at the weekend, there's a lot to be said for weekending in the marina during the school holidays.
 
We motored over to Yarmouth arriving about 11:30 and got an alongside berth next to the lifeboat, which proved to be an ideal spot when they went out on a shout at 17:30. Harbour was fairly full but boats still being taken in late afternoon onto the end of the rafts.
 
Agree that marinas need to incentivise berth holders for notifying overnight absences.

Absolutely. There seems to be a strange scenario whereby your pre-paid berth is re-sold and not only do you see nothing but you have to pay for the electricity which the marina charge the visitor for.

Nice work if you can get it :)

Split the visitors fee 50/50 with the berth holder.

I can see that with marina groups who operate reciprocal berthing within group this probably won't generate a lot of income but to be fair having left your home berth you will probably be enjoying a free "in group" stay elsewhere.

Otherwise it subsidises you stay elsewhere.

Henry :)
 
As has been eluded to if you call up in advance the answer is usually no, we don't have any space because they dare not promise you anything. Turning up with a plan B usually results in a satisfactory outcome.

You need to have as many options available to you as possible. Someone only prepared to take a pontoon mooring with shore power, hot showers, toilet and restaurants will limit their chances. Someone fully self sufficient in terms of home comforts and able to pick up a buoy, take to fore / aft piles or drop anchor will do better. Practice those skills and try to equip you boat accordingly. I'm always amazed for instance that some people don't have dinghies. They double up the number of options.

Cowes for example.
Cowes Yacht Haven, Shepards, East Cowes. All full? Go home. But wait, speak to the harbourmaster and see what options they have. Trinity landing, swinging moorings in various places, Whitegates mid river pontoons and so on. We have even been put on spare residential pontoon moorings. As a last resort (sorry, that sounds harsh, but I mean as a last resort for someone hoping to visit Cowes town) run up to the Folly - the guys running the moorings there will move boats to get you in if necessary. I appreciate it isn't Cowes Town but it's a plan B and that sometimes is how the best boating memories are made. Plan B days and nights.

This weekend was a prime example. Thought the wind was going to be light so anchored just inside Hurst Castle to explore Keyhaven and Milford on Sea by dinghy & bike. Went in, had lunch and a potter round. Came back to the boat to recover and it was a bit blustery. The wind was going to ease off overnight but didn't want the hassle to made our way over to Newtown Creek. Didn't bother with Yarmouth because I knew it would be busy and fancied tranquillity. Found a spot in Newtown, dropped the anchor but a bit close to a sailing yacht on one of the buoys. Probably would have been ok but as last man in it was my duty to ensure no touching so bailed out and went up the Beaulieu river.

Again, lots of options. Mid river buoy, Bucklers Hard, mid river pontoon or even anchor on the lower stretches. ended up rafted up in Bucklers Hard alongside a member of this parish :)

Tide times meant Beaulieu village was easy pickings by dinghy for Sunday lunch and comfy chairs in The Montagu Arms window alcove became available just before our starter arrived. A lovely potter back down river exploring deserted inlets. So plan B came up trumps yet again. Even discovered that the hose pipe on the river tours pontoon is über powerful making light work of a dirty Princess 50 as the sun faded.

Henry :)
 
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As has been eluded to if you call up in advance the answer is usually no, we don't have any space because they dare not promise you anything. Turning up with a plan B usually results in a satisfactory outcome.

You need to have as many options available to you as possible. Someone only prepared to take a pontoon mooring with shore power, hot showers, toilet and restaurants will limit their chances. Someone fully self sufficient in terms of home comforts and able to pick up a buoy, take to fore / aft piles or drop anchor will do better. Practice those skills and try to equip you boat accordingly. I'm always amazed for instance that some people don't have dinghies. They double up the number of options.

Cowes for example.
Cowes Yacht Haven, Shepards, East Cowes. All full? Go home. But wait, speak to the harbourmaster and see what options they have. Trinity landing, swinging moorings in various places, Whitegates mid river pontoons and so on. We have even been put on spare residential pontoon moorings. As a last resort (sorry, that sounds harsh, but I mean as a last resort for someone hoping to visit Cowes town) run up to the Folly - the guys running the moorings there will move boats to get you in if necessary. I appreciate it isn't Cowes Town but it's a plan B and that sometimes is how the best boating memories are made. Plan B days and nights.

This weekend was a prime example. Thought the wind was going to be light so anchored just inside Hurst Castle to explore Keyhaven and Milford on Sea by dinghy & bike. Went in, had lunch and a potter round. Came back to the boat to recover and it was a bit blustery. The wind was going to ease off overnight but didn't want the hassle to made our way over to Newtown Creek. Didn't bother with Yarmouth because I knew it would be busy and fancied tranquillity. Found a spot in Newtown, dropped the anchor but a bit close to a sailing yacht on one of the buoys. Probably would have been ok but as last man in it was my duty to ensure no touching so bailed out and went up the Beaulieu river.

Again, lots of options. Mid river buoy, Bucklers Hard, mid river pontoon or even anchor on the lower stretches. ended up rafted up in Bucklers Hard alongside a member of this parish :)

Tide times meant Beaulieu village was easy pickings by dinghy for Sunday lunch and comfy chairs in The Montagu Arms window alcove became available just before our starter arrived. A lovely potter back down river exploring deserted inlets. So plan B came up trumps yet again. Even discovered that the hose pipe on the river tours pontoon is über powerful making light work of a dirty Princess 50 as the sun faded.

Henry :)

Sounds like a perfect weekend, Henry. Boats don't really go with overly fixed plans. Hence the traditional preference for saying you are heading for place X, rather than that is where you are going.
 
This weekend was a prime example. Thought the wind was going to be light so anchored just inside Hurst Castle to explore Keyhaven and Milford on Sea by dinghy & bike. Went in, had lunch and a potter round. Came back to the boat to recover and it was a bit blustery. The wind was going to ease off overnight but didn't want the hassle to made our way over to Newtown Creek. Didn't bother with Yarmouth because I knew it would be busy and fancied tranquillity. Found a spot in Newtown, dropped the anchor but a bit close to a sailing yacht on one of the buoys. Probably would have been ok but as last man in it was my duty to ensure no touching so bailed out and went up the Beaulieu river.

Again, lots of options. Mid river buoy, Bucklers Hard, mid river pontoon or even anchor on the lower stretches. ended up rafted up in Bucklers Hard alongside a member of this parish :)

Tide times meant Beaulieu village was easy pickings by dinghy for Sunday lunch and comfy chairs in The Montagu Arms window alcove became available just before our starter arrived. A lovely potter back down river exploring deserted inlets. So plan B came up trumps yet again. Even discovered that the hose pipe on the river tours pontoon is über powerful making light work of a dirty Princess 50 as the sun faded.

Henry :)

I did pretty much the same trip, tried Newtown creek and as expected no buoy was available so continued to Keyhaven but due to wind and a head sea stopped at Lymington, they offered to go on a waiting list and try again in an hour. Didn't like that idea of waiting due to the windy conditions and went for my plan B which was Beaulieu and moored to a buoy past Bucklers hard, lovely spot for overnight. Then next day dinghy to Beaulieu village but didn't stop just did some exploring. I saw two dinghies past me late morning, I guess that may have been you Henry. All in all a good weekend.
 
Lymington Harbour is consulting on a plan to increase the number of walk ashore pontoon berths on the town quay, on the basis that demand for the visitor river moorings has dropped 25% in the last few years.

Proposed plan here https://gallery.mailchimp.com/5407a37537e7f7e5349787c78/files/proposed.pdf

I hope they're right that this theoretical reduction in numbers will help satisfy demand. When my boat was in Lymington we were always at Berthon so it's difficult to come to any conclusion as to whether the extra walk-ashore berths at the Town Quay will make up for or indeed improve on the current situation.
 
Yes, will reduce total town quay visitor berthing from 116 to 87, so its about boaters preference for walk ashore pontoons rather than increasing capacity for peak times.
 
Some of you Mobo'ers who could, should have a look about moving your boats up to N and NW Wales. We dont seem to have these problems and spend most nights out on the hook anyway. We could do with some more boats here too to be frank. Help the local boating service industries along.
We can boast some reasonably good boating venues imo. I was in Porthdinllaen this Saturday. There must have been only about 2 other Moboer's and 3 yachts visiting. All were on the hook.

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