gandy
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Gotcha, you were referring to the plan rather than the CG notification.
Solent Coatgard passage plan.
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Woodentop
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...Is it ever "required" to submit a passage plan to the CG?
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And they couldn't cope if you did.
I reckon they can manage 1 in a thousand calling with plans, 10 in a thousand would be a struggle but if it ever rose to 10% of boats passing their plans you would have to fork out some serious taxes to pay for more coastguards.
Far better to tell your Mum where you are going and when you will be back. She cares.
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...Is it ever "required" to submit a passage plan to the CG?
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And they couldn't cope if you did.
I reckon they can manage 1 in a thousand calling with plans, 10 in a thousand would be a struggle but if it ever rose to 10% of boats passing their plans you would have to fork out some serious taxes to pay for more coastguards.
Far better to tell your Mum where you are going and when you will be back. She cares.
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As others have said here ..... it is unnecessary to do so ...
Best is to tell a relative or other trusted person your expected ETA at destination and that you will call them on arrival.
Trouble is I think that courses and even odd posts on here over time lead to this sort of call. You can't really knock the caller who passed it to CG ... probably gave the CG a smile and something to do that day..... (sorry poor humour that).
Many have given impression that a passage plan is a MUST item ... given the average boat trips and use - I don't agree. But nice to do on the longer ones ... gives the crew something to think about. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But then again ... you can drown / have incident in Solent just as easy as further offshore ... probably easier in fact due to relaxed and complacency .... arh - we're only in Solent ... we don't need that blah blah blah .... SPLOOSH ! HELP !!
What am I saying ... I think the individual skipper has to to make the decision to make or not and to pass to CG. Maybe these ones had nervous people on board ? Maybe they were School Boats showing in practical terms how its done ???
You cannot really knock someone for being cautious.
Oh - the last serious passage plan I made was for Hay Point - Australia to Cape Town and then to Hunterston (Glasgow) ..... many years ago.
I have a PC template now for general Solent stuff ....
covers tides etc. and can also have notes made on reverse for extra details ... place in plastic wallet ... bobs proverbial. If I was to venture further afield ... print of from chart prog. and add tables etc. ........
Best is to tell a relative or other trusted person your expected ETA at destination and that you will call them on arrival.
Trouble is I think that courses and even odd posts on here over time lead to this sort of call. You can't really knock the caller who passed it to CG ... probably gave the CG a smile and something to do that day..... (sorry poor humour that).
Many have given impression that a passage plan is a MUST item ... given the average boat trips and use - I don't agree. But nice to do on the longer ones ... gives the crew something to think about. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But then again ... you can drown / have incident in Solent just as easy as further offshore ... probably easier in fact due to relaxed and complacency .... arh - we're only in Solent ... we don't need that blah blah blah .... SPLOOSH ! HELP !!
What am I saying ... I think the individual skipper has to to make the decision to make or not and to pass to CG. Maybe these ones had nervous people on board ? Maybe they were School Boats showing in practical terms how its done ???
You cannot really knock someone for being cautious.
Oh - the last serious passage plan I made was for Hay Point - Australia to Cape Town and then to Hunterston (Glasgow) ..... many years ago.
I have a PC template now for general Solent stuff ....
covers tides etc. and can also have notes made on reverse for extra details ... place in plastic wallet ... bobs proverbial. If I was to venture further afield ... print of from chart prog. and add tables etc. ........
oldharry
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Nanny state now demands that we organise ourselves to know where we are going before we can go out to sea. I am often limited by work commitments to a few hours day sailing at a time.
Is it an accceptable Passage Plan to be out there just for the hell of it - the only plan being to get back before the tide leaves the mooring? And is simply checking the weather and tides adequate planning?
If so should I tell CG every time?
But seriously, I can well remember first trips out into the Solent with a leaky 17 footer, a recalcitrant Seagull (was there ever any other kind?), when the ambition of making it from Chi to Bembridge was a major expedition akin to doing a Transat, and making the Western Solent or Poole was on a par with Slocums voyage in Spray.
So its all a question of perspective - if the Skipper feels challenged by the plans he as laid, then logging a TR with CG is entirely proper - even if 782 other people have made the same trip that day without giving it a thought!
Is it an accceptable Passage Plan to be out there just for the hell of it - the only plan being to get back before the tide leaves the mooring? And is simply checking the weather and tides adequate planning?
If so should I tell CG every time?
But seriously, I can well remember first trips out into the Solent with a leaky 17 footer, a recalcitrant Seagull (was there ever any other kind?), when the ambition of making it from Chi to Bembridge was a major expedition akin to doing a Transat, and making the Western Solent or Poole was on a par with Slocums voyage in Spray.
So its all a question of perspective - if the Skipper feels challenged by the plans he as laid, then logging a TR with CG is entirely proper - even if 782 other people have made the same trip that day without giving it a thought!
duncan
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can we please ensure that we don't confuse people too much with our use of notation.......
A Passage Plan is a legal requirement for all craft in certain circumstances. These are documented (and do not include the Solent as already mentioned here but would include Studland Bay!). There is no requirement to document; however many argue that documenting is both a usefull aide memoir and convienent proof should something happen that causes anyone to question it's existence/your 'planning'.
Calling in a TR to the CG is nothing to do with a Passage Plan; other than it being rather odd if what you say to them is inconsistent with your Passage Plan!
The CG66 scheme makes available usefull information to the CG about your boat, equipement range etc. You can call in a TR to the CG without having registered on the scheme - currently if you call a TR into Portland or Solent they will tend to ask if you have registered on the scheme and politely request that you do.
Finally Passage Plans (the regulations) are more about the high level common sense issues than detailed navigation -
weather (current and forecast) fuel, food and water, crews health and comfort factors, charts, tide tables/tide info lights, ie an evaluation of the suitability of the craft, crew and equipement for the intended trip in the anticipated conditions.
A Passage Plan is a legal requirement for all craft in certain circumstances. These are documented (and do not include the Solent as already mentioned here but would include Studland Bay!). There is no requirement to document; however many argue that documenting is both a usefull aide memoir and convienent proof should something happen that causes anyone to question it's existence/your 'planning'.
Calling in a TR to the CG is nothing to do with a Passage Plan; other than it being rather odd if what you say to them is inconsistent with your Passage Plan!
The CG66 scheme makes available usefull information to the CG about your boat, equipement range etc. You can call in a TR to the CG without having registered on the scheme - currently if you call a TR into Portland or Solent they will tend to ask if you have registered on the scheme and politely request that you do.
Finally Passage Plans (the regulations) are more about the high level common sense issues than detailed navigation -
weather (current and forecast) fuel, food and water, crews health and comfort factors, charts, tide tables/tide info lights, ie an evaluation of the suitability of the craft, crew and equipement for the intended trip in the anticipated conditions.
oldharry
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... in other words its a legal requirement that you know where you want to go, and believe that you are able to get there /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
OK so i am a old cynic ( and thats official too BTW according to SWMBO!) - but who does go to sea without knowing where they are going - except maybe me on my afternoon off /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
OK so i am a old cynic ( and thats official too BTW according to SWMBO!) - but who does go to sea without knowing where they are going - except maybe me on my afternoon off /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
fireball
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My advice is - Just follow the bow ... it always seems to know where it is going /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
oldharry
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My advice is - Just follow the bow ... it always seems to know where it is going /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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No way: left to its own devices mine heads off in any old direction and being a Maurice Griffiths design it has a special affinity for mud! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
My advice is - Just follow the bow ... it always seems to know where it is going /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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No way: left to its own devices mine heads off in any old direction and being a Maurice Griffiths design it has a special affinity for mud! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Phoenix of Hamble
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Thanks OldHarry, that made me laugh...
Thanks OldHarry, that made me laugh...
duncan
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... in other words its a legal requirement that you know where you want to go, and believe that you are able to get there
OK so i am a old cynic ( and thats official too BTW according to SWMBO!) - but who does go to sea without knowing where they are going - except maybe me on my afternoon off
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whilst I appreciate tha humour of your post the difference between believing that you are able to get (where you are going) and considering all the relevant issues to whether you actually can is unfortunately significant for many.
Considerations such as the height and state of tide, wind now and likely later can take mere seconds for many experienced (especially locally experienced) to 'compute' into a decision to head for a particular anchorage for lunch whilst others may need to work it all through to ensure that certain overfalls won't appear to block their intended return path.
... in other words its a legal requirement that you know where you want to go, and believe that you are able to get there
OK so i am a old cynic ( and thats official too BTW according to SWMBO!) - but who does go to sea without knowing where they are going - except maybe me on my afternoon off
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whilst I appreciate tha humour of your post the difference between believing that you are able to get (where you are going) and considering all the relevant issues to whether you actually can is unfortunately significant for many.
Considerations such as the height and state of tide, wind now and likely later can take mere seconds for many experienced (especially locally experienced) to 'compute' into a decision to head for a particular anchorage for lunch whilst others may need to work it all through to ensure that certain overfalls won't appear to block their intended return path.
oldharry
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I think you unwittingly prove ,my point: those who have the skills and competence to take a measured decision about where to go, based on local knowledge or general experience need no prompting to do so.
Those who lack the skills, expertise or experience to be able to take everything in to account are going to go anyway whether its safe or not. and no amount of legislation about Passage Planning is going to replace the skills and knowledge they lack.
I think it is pretty obvious that anyone setting out in a boat does so believing that it is OK to do so. Legislation can never change that, and there will always be people setting out in ignorance of the potential or actual dangers they may be facing.
Nor do I beleive compulsory training to be a solution: I've done the course so I know all about it.....
"Here lies the body of poor John Gray
Knew he had the right of way"
Those who lack the skills, expertise or experience to be able to take everything in to account are going to go anyway whether its safe or not. and no amount of legislation about Passage Planning is going to replace the skills and knowledge they lack.
I think it is pretty obvious that anyone setting out in a boat does so believing that it is OK to do so. Legislation can never change that, and there will always be people setting out in ignorance of the potential or actual dangers they may be facing.
Nor do I beleive compulsory training to be a solution: I've done the course so I know all about it.....
"Here lies the body of poor John Gray
Knew he had the right of way"
AngusMcDoon
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Re: Solent Coastguard passage plan.
Have you got a doghouse on your boat? Did banish the dog into it for that misdemeanour?
Have you got a doghouse on your boat? Did banish the dog into it for that misdemeanour?
LadyInBed
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"if you haven't submitted a CG66 you can't file a passage plan as far as I know"
TOTALLY UNTRUE! That's a bit like saying that you can't put out a Mayday if you haven't got a radio licence or maybe even filed a CG66!!
TOTALLY UNTRUE! That's a bit like saying that you can't put out a Mayday if you haven't got a radio licence or maybe even filed a CG66!!
duncan
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I think we are agreeing but at cross puposes - all at the same time!
I am of the view that the very existence of legislation will make some (maybe only 1) person consider the wider issues.
Without awareness (of the legislation) then I agree your evaluation completely
I am of the view that the very existence of legislation will make some (maybe only 1) person consider the wider issues.
Without awareness (of the legislation) then I agree your evaluation completely