Solar Mppt Controller start—up current

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I confess my complete inability to grasp electrical matters at the outset to avoid ignominy by a thousand gaffs.

I am planning for a first UK winter without shore power. We have a Mastervolt Mass Combi Ultra 12/3000/150 charger with a built in mppt charger, and 2 x 100w Victron panels wired in parallel. When it works, it seems to work OK, but the main charger has to be on so consumes around half an amp 24/7. But sometimes solar charging doesn’t kick in. I am guessing that it is something to do with the start-up voltage specified in the manual as 25v and a crap summer, though I am not sure how our parallel wired panels can ever deliver that, yet more often than not it does seem to work. Doubt it will in the winter though.

I also have in a cupboard somewhere a Victron mppt smart controller which I was planning to (re)install as less power hungry. But even that says start up trigger is battery voltage +5v, which I have read elsewhere is considered relatively high. So I am concerned that that too may not be triggered in the depths of winter.

I am yet to discover how little sun our mooring (Dittisham on the Dart - very steep surrounding hills) will get in winter but I am guessing not a lot.

I don’t need much - just a trickle to keep the batteries sweet + the charger consumption. But I need more than nil if the charger won’t start.

So is there a better way? Should I wire the panels in series for the winter to concentrate on getting starting voltage over max output? Could I maybe just wire one panel direct to the battery? Or, preferably, is there a decent solar charger that needs a rather lower starting voltage?
 
I'd do the same, but we probably need more info. What is the max voltage the panels can produce? X2 must be lower than the max voltage the mppt will accept, else you destroy the mppt!
so unless you check labels and specs of the lot you cannot get a result.
 
If panels won't be shaded then wire in series as you suggest but I would use the Victron, not the Mastervolt.

Exactly what i would do.

OP: The Victron will start in Winter, no problem, you should see about 20V from the panels in parallel, but it would start earlier if they were in series.
 
Guess it might be worth lashing out for one of the newer Bluetooth Victrons so I can monitor exactly what it’s up to - the Mastervolt will only show the net battery in/out if I don’t put the solar through it.
 
Guess it might be worth lashing out for one of the newer Bluetooth Victrons so I can monitor exactly what it’s up to - the Mastervolt will only show the net battery in/out if I don’t put the solar through it.

Or buy a Bluetooth dongle VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle - Victron Energy

How much value there depends on the controller that you have now. Either way, Bluetooth is very useful for monitoring, but also to keep the controller firmware up to date.
 
Thanks Paul - think my victron predates dongle compatibility - 2014 I think. Going down today so I’ll check - and looking out the window atm if I get it done quickly I’ll be able to test it in quasi mid winter light levels to check that it’s worth splashing on a bluetooth version!
 
Sorry to resurrect this but I think I have read today that using 24v panels through an mppt regulator into a 12v system is a possible way to overcome any possible problem with insufficient voltage to kick start the regulator. Would having two 24v panels wired in parallel give the benefits of both series and parallel connections, rather than having to choose, or are there no free lunches?
 
Sorry to resurrect this but I think I have read today that using 24v panels through an mppt regulator into a 12v system is a possible way to overcome any possible problem with insufficient voltage to kick start the regulator. Would having two 24v panels wired in parallel give the benefits of both series and parallel connections, rather than having to choose, or are there no free lunches?

Solar panels generate reasonably high voltages even under poor illumination. 24v panels will produce more than enough voltage to start the Victron controllers well before there is enough power to produce any current.
 
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