so you have a 100k budget

Porthandbuoy said:
Buying 2nd hand, or "pre-loved" seems a lot more sense to me. But where you buy is probably more important. What would you get for 80k t'other side of the pond compared to here?
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You might save 17.5%

Pity you have to pay transport costs & VAT on importing it. I did look at this once with a view of sailing something home. Then I realised it was on the West coast & there was an extra 3k miles trailing or 5k sailing just to get it to th eEast coast! Duh!
 
Searush said:
You might save 17.5%

Pity you have to pay transport costs & VAT on importing it. I did look at this once with a view of sailing something home. Then I realised it was on the West coast & there was an extra 3k miles trailing or 5k sailing just to get it to th eEast coast! Duh!
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There's a lot of VAT paid European boats languishing t'other side of the pond. I was in T&T a few years ago and just wished I had a few tens of thousands to spare!
 
The Finngulfs are lovely boats. Took a train from Moscow to Helsinki to see them being built. Very nice people building very nice boats.
Older, used boat for me. We often get comments on how our boat looks, usually followed by a comment on how the B****** just don't give off the same vibe.
 
'Kahurangi' is a 63 foot 'Robb' Cruising 12 metre classic.
1953


Built in New Zealand of triple skinned hand picked heart Kauri,
she is a stunning boat for the enthusiast.
If you want lines, she's got 'em

8 Berths in 4 cabins
2 Heads

Kahurangi (which means precious possession in Maori) has a fine pedigree.

Built by Col.Wild of Stanley Bay she was recognised by Classic scene as possibly one of the finest yachts ever built in New Zealand.

Kahurangi measures 18.9m (62ft) overall, 12.7m (41.ft 8ins) on the water line, 3.76m (12'.4") beam and 2.5m (8'3") draught.

Kahurangi's construction is of triple planked Kauri. The inner two layers are each 3/8"
thick and the outer layer is 7/8" making 1 1/4" in all.
The fastenings are of copper roves and silicon bronze wood screws.
The engine is a Perkins 85 h.p. 4-236 Diesel and was new in 1985.A new oil cooler and
exhaust was installed in 1992.She has a Borg-Warner velvet drive hydraulic gear box.
80 amp Delco-Ray alternator.
Steering is a chain, wire and cable quadrant system + emergency rudder post.

She carries 60 gallons of fuel in 3 tanks.
5 water tanks of approx. 200 gallons in all.
The refrigeration system is a holding plate system with an engine driven Tecumseh
compressor and is fitted with an electric clutch meaning that you can switch it on and off as needed.
This fine sailing yacht is for sale

The price is ?90,000 sterling.

Lying Turkey.

http://www.yacht-sale.com/triple_skinned_Kauri.htm
 
Nearly 3 years ago when we decided to change boats we had to make such a choice, the boat we sold was an AWB bought from new and 6 years old. On reflection we actually got a fair price. After putting on all the "extras" to make it fit for purpose the sale price was 20% less than capital expenditure over the 6 years and the boat was in good condition. After a couple of months looking at new boats, and having test sailed 2 boats from a narrowed down list, the one we thought would suit us best, and our top budget, was the Dufour 34. With all equipment added in the cost would have been about £105k and that was after perhaps 3-4 weeks of discussions with the agents. The other 2 boats, a HR34 came out at £156k and the Fingulf at £125k, both just too expensive.
In the end we bought a 7 year old Starlight 35 for slightly less than the Dufour and I think made the right choice. Yes there are bits that need replacing if we want to be up to date with the latest technology but most of the ancillary equipment is still working 3 years later which is what we wanted to achieve. What we have is a superbly built boat that has top quality sailing characteristics, makes us feel safer in any weather and is reasonably quick with good upwind performance.
It was a difficult choice but we would probably had as many, if not more, snags to fix with the alternative new boat. However everything would have been brand new and up to date which has its own attraction.
 
bobm said:
After a couple of months looking at new boats, and having test sailed 2 boats from a narrowed down list, the one we thought would suit us best, and our top budget, was the Dufour 34.
In the end we bought a 7 year old Starlight 35 for slightly less than the Dufour and I think made the right choice.
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Bizarre - this is exactly the same route I went down in 2003, focusing on the Dufour 34 as the closest to what I thought I could afford to buy new. But it was adding up all the extras I would need that killed it. The Starlight took a while to turn up but was the best decision for me.
 
Have had a hallberg rassy 42 for five years now 16 year old broker says its worth 15% more than i paid still in good nick
 
Porthandbuoy said:
There's a lot of VAT paid European boats languishing t'other side of the pond. I was in T&T a few years ago and just wished I had a few tens of thousands to spare!
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Sorry, no such thing as "VAT paid boat" outside the EU. Once it leaves the EU it is liable to VAT on re-importation unless the importer can claim one of the narrow forms of exemption such as being a returning resident or the person who took the boat out of the EU. In most cases boats from outside the EU will also have to get a CE mark and comply with the rCD, again with some narrow wexemptions.

If buying a boat outside the EU was such a good deal, everybody would be doing it. Wonder why they are not! That is why boats a "languishing" in T&T - because there is a limited market for them!
 
bobm said:
. After a couple of months looking at new boats, and having test sailed 2 boats from a narrowed down list, the one we thought would suit us best, and our top budget, was the Dufour 34. With all equipment added in the cost would have been about £105k and that was after perhaps 3-4 weeks of discussions with the agents. The other 2 boats, a HR34 came out at £156k and the Fingulf at £125k, both just too expensive.
In the end we bought a 7 year old Starlight 35 for slightly less than the Dufour and I think made the right choice. .
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As it happens Bob we looked at the same boats new and then bought the same boat second hand as you did. :eek:
 
Tranona said:
Sorry, no such thing as "VAT paid boat" outside the EU. Once it leaves the EU it is liable to VAT on re-importation unless the importer can claim one of the narrow forms of exemption such as being a returning resident or the person who took the boat out of the EU.
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Ah but isnt it true that its the transaction which attracts the VAT and if the transaction takes place in the EU between two EU residents then it doesnt matter where the boat itself is located. ie if you can find a boat owned by a resident Brit but for sale in T&T, then you can do a deal here in Blighty with no vat to pay.
 
Porthandbuoy said:
Buying 2nd hand, or "pre-loved" seems a lot more sense to me. But where you buy is probably more important. What would you get for 80k t'other side of the pond compared to here?
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the grass isn't always greener on the other side, wasn't there alot of them foreigners buying UK boats until the recent rise of the british pound, and even still there are the foreigners buying in the UK, or so I am told
 
Bosun Higgs said:
Ah but isnt it true that its the transaction which attracts the VAT and if the transaction takes place in the EU between two EU residents then it doesnt matter where the boat itself is located. ie if you can find a boat owned by a resident Brit but for sale in T&T, then you can do a deal here in Blighty with no vat to pay.
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This has been raised before and I don't know the definitive answer. There is nothing in the VAT guidance that clarifies, but maybe there will be in the small print of the underlying law. The guidance is however, very clear that a boat leaving the EU loses its "VAT paid" status - horrible words but they are those used by HMRC and that it refers to boats changing hands outside the EU. So I guess the expectation is that it is the location of the boat that determines where the transaction takes place.

The "right" to re-import without paying VAT is through an exemption that applies to the individual importer, not the boat. By definition a new owner importing the boat could not claim exemption except as a returning resident.

The issue is rather academic with boats in the Caribbean as any price differential is likely to be wiped out by the cost of getting it back. I can see perhaps somebody doing the "grand tour" starting from there and ending up in Europe - and it might be worth it if the boat were already set up for ocean cruising, but buying a boat specifically to use in Europe is unlikely to work.

I have heard (but no direct experience) that it is common for boats based in Turkey to spend a day in Rhodes for the transaction to take place!
 
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