+1 on that, and everything else you said.
...though if you make it a 959 rather than a generic 911, I might give your offer a serious thought - even rounding it at 1m!
Well, the reason why I don't find %ages interesting is simply that they are meaningless, in the pleasure boats market.
No I'm not.
I still maintain the thread could potentially do more harm than good. Someone is offered the deal of a lifetime but they turn it down because they can't match the discount offered on a massively over price un-sellable odd ball.
At a guess I'd say Mike wilds. If it is tell him I sent my regards. A lovely guy and a very good driver.
Henry
Well, the reason why I don't find %ages interesting is simply that they are meaningless, in the pleasure boats market.
In your OP, you neither specified whether new or used, nor the type of boat, let alone the builder.
To get a (sort of) meaningful comparison, you should have asked about the higher %age achieved when buying a new Beneteau, frinstance.
And even then, it would have been better to specify also the model, and possibly WHEN, 'cause these things can change dramatically over time.
Besides, what really matter at the end of the day, is rather buying what suits your needs best, and for a price which is reasonable for you.
Doesn't that sound much better than grabbing a big bargain and live with something you don't like?
They're giving it away more subtly these days. For example, BMW are offering some absolutely stonking deals on business contract hire at the moment, presumably to shift stock before the year end. There are still far too many cars being manufactured in Europe at present but manufacturers are being a bit more imaginative about how they shift them instead of just advertising upfront discounts
I tend to agree with that. Its meaningless in the used boat market because the range of prices for the same model is so great that a % discount off a high priced boat is a very different deal from the same % off a low priced one. What does seem to be the norm now though is that many buyers seem to pitch their initial offer at about 30% below the asking price. Of course where the actual selling price ends up is anybody's guess. With regard to the new boat market, my feeling is that builders have been ramping up their list prices substantially recently, I guess in order to be able to give away a substantial discount. This may also be because of the new markets in Asia where a substantial discount is the norm and expected by buyers
Glad you appreciated my small contribution.
) if all the boat sale prices were published like house ones, life would be easier for all. Then you just knock off 10% a year (by the sound of it)....Seriously. If buyers and sellers knew that, then there would be a much more stable market.
I agree (sorry if you didn't want me to
It does get more complicated though; add on the new gear -10% a year as it gets older (-30% a year if it is electronics), take off x amount for engines that have run more than 100 hours a year, minus the things that don't work and/or have come to need a rebuild and you arrive at the price. This last bit is the scope for a little negotiation.
Thanks. I wish my company paid for my tickets.
It's fine, you just need to be sensible. I've been coming here for years and never had a bad episode yet. It's just too hard to buy a second hand boat here (I gave up)...oh and the prices are way too high as well.Keep off the Copacabana at night
