so what's with the Red Ensign?

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Can you explain the "more useful modern ensign practices" to me please? Plus of course why I would want to adopt said policies/practices.

We are not being forced to do this, by westminster, they dont give a stuff and would probably want us to have an EU flag.

Also, people who are wearing these multiude of flags are doing so ILLEGALLY, what part oif that word dont you understand? They are idiots, trying to make a "point" but there is no point to make.
The legal merchant/yachting ensign is the red ensign, thats it what they should be wearing, the blues and even defaced reds are for members of clubs etc. who hold a royal warrant to wear those ensigns.
You will also see lots of defaced red ensigns, especially in the meddy, which often belong to the islands and countries who are entitled to them. Bahamas, etc.

I think it best if I give up now!
 
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Well, maybe I was not making myself very clear. The point I tried to make with "useful modern ensign practices" (maybe not a very well chosen expression, but there you go) was that I have witnessed many times that you Brits have one legal ensign practice but almost everyone violates it, as you correctly note. Now, to me; a legal requirement that is not adhered to might be a candidate for an update. You have obviously proven by practice that you think your current ensign is not sufficient. Why then not change it? I leave it up to you to find something that you yourself think can actually legally work in your country.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence in respect to myself as well. I think I have said more than I need to on this subject and I am now signing off this thread.
 
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you Brits have one legal ensign practice but almost everyone violates it

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Can you clarify what you mean? I don't recall seeing in the last 5 years or so a single British yacht flying an illegal ensign. I've heard that there's the odd yacht that flies the Welsh/Scottish/Cornish flag instead of the proper red/blue/white Ensign, but outside Wales/Scotland/Cornwall that must be pretty rare and to be honest I haven't noticed any. Similarly I hear on this forum about British yachts flying the "Euro ensign", but almost never see it in practise, and when I do it's always been a non-British yacht.

I'm sure that there must be the odd British yacht flying an illegal ensign, but I seriously doubt that it's "almost everyone".
 
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Great Britain, with a tradition of seafaring, trade and exploration that the Scandinavians for one cannot start to compare with

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Hmmm, talking about pecking order..... I seem to remember from my history lessons that you guys were still farmers when the Vikings sailed the world and created a trading empire that stretched from North America to Asia Minor. It was very probably the very extensive Viking settlements on the British Isles that showed you guys what a boat was. All IMHO, of course.

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Ahem There is a theory that the inhabitants of Shetland and northern Scotland called the Albans by a historian actually hunted walrus for skin and ivory in Hudsons bay well before the Vikings ever existed . Walrus hide is very thick and inpenetrable and was used in the construction of boats which were turned upside down into houses when they reached their destination serving as a base for their hunting expeditions
 
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...ummm getting back to the thread... I was at SIBS on Saturday when cruise ship Navigator of the Seas was heading out...

She's Nassau registered, and was flying a Union Flag as courtesy flag. Made me smile...
 
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Ahem There is a theory that the inhabitants of Shetland and northern Scotland called the Albans by a historian actually hunted walrus for skin and ivory in Hudsons bay well before the Vikings ever existed.

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Now, I am no history expert; but a a lot scholars claim that the Shetlands have always been part of Scandinavia. Just as the next neighbours Faroe Islands still are. You guys just annexed it recently. I don't know but a look at the chart for this area kind of supports that idea.

I have only visited the Shetlands once, but I did notice the abundance of Scandinavian place names there. The Vikings settlements clearly was dominant there.

Hummm, maybe time to try to resurrect the old Viking empire. But maybe this time we bypass the British isles....
 
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Shelties do not class themselves as Scots no more than we regard ourselves as English or British. We respect this. The Shetlands have more in common with Norway than the UK. Scotland had a red ensign with the saltire before the Union of the Crowns. I have e mailed Alex Salmond (our first Minister and SNP) for clarification of the right to wear our National flag. Its only a matter of time before we are a nation again and free from the tyranny of the English. (And that a-----e Gordon Brown)
 
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surprised you had the cheek to show your dirty face again here. Except of course - you didn't! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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And who are you you stupid prat to make judgement. Why do you have to make such sweeping judgement on anyone who does not conform to the status quo. So anyone that does not agree with you is wrong. Pompous twit. Bet you have a blue ensign too.
 
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And who are you you stupid prat to make judgement. Why do you have to make such sweeping judgement on anyone who does not conform to the status quo. So anyone that does not agree with you is wrong. Pompous twit. Bet you have a blue ensign too.

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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif No, wrong yet again, my boat flies a red ensign. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I didn't go to Blair's school. I went to a Scottish comprehensive. I'm not gay. I don't support Hibs. I don't come from Morningside. Or Easter Road. And I'm not an ignorant Scottish fascist/nationalist with brains that have been soaked too long in whisky and seawater, a dysfunctional family background, who feels so guilty about abandoning the country where he happened to be born that he has to make up for it with spurious and anonymous twaddle which he is too scared to put his name to. Don't feel too guilty, the country is a much better place for it. Stay down in Oz - for the sake of Scotland /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I hope that helps you. I'm afraid I can't spend any more time on you, sorry.
 
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