Slow_boat
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But it won't be an ageing workforce. As many as can are leaving to retire in a more civilised country!
So, now that Early Retirement or even Retirement at all......
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Birdseye
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...has been declared non-PC or even anti-social, is "The Dream" now to be regarded as a thing of the past? Will anyone embarking on such a course be seen in future as a shirker or social pariah? I look around the marina at Gouvia and they're getting thinner on the ground by the year - except for the ex-civil servant and local goverment classes, that is!
Can I expect a knock on the door from the Thought Police for daring to make such utterances (whilst Alastair is running his guts out at Gateshead)
(Clever way to defuse the Demographic Time Bomb isn't it? Attempt to alter the country's mindset on the work/leisure balance!)
Steve Cronin
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Steve
You are forgetting the 50% of the pop who work for HMG or local government etc, and who can still retire at 60 on generous pensions. Its only in the productive part of the economy that retirement is now frowned upon.
But never mind, the way Gordon is going, we wilkl all get a chance to work for HMG.
...has been declared non-PC or even anti-social, is "The Dream" now to be regarded as a thing of the past? Will anyone embarking on such a course be seen in future as a shirker or social pariah? I look around the marina at Gouvia and they're getting thinner on the ground by the year - except for the ex-civil servant and local goverment classes, that is!
Can I expect a knock on the door from the Thought Police for daring to make such utterances (whilst Alastair is running his guts out at Gateshead)
(Clever way to defuse the Demographic Time Bomb isn't it? Attempt to alter the country's mindset on the work/leisure balance!)
Steve Cronin
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Steve
You are forgetting the 50% of the pop who work for HMG or local government etc, and who can still retire at 60 on generous pensions. Its only in the productive part of the economy that retirement is now frowned upon.
But never mind, the way Gordon is going, we wilkl all get a chance to work for HMG.
Danny Jo
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That's right, carry on working you idle s*ds. The Treasury needs millions of taxpayers to afford my pension.
bedouin
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But it won't be an ageing workforce. As many as can are leaving to retire in a more civilised country!
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Want a bet?
(a) There is no more civilised country /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
(b) Even if they are living abroad their pension will still be funded in UK - so they still require the UK economy to thrive to fund their pension.
(c) I think you'll find a lot of those who "retire to the sun" return to the UK before they get to the residential care stage.
(d) Now that the Gordy Frown has raided everyone's pension no one will be able to afford to move anywhere on retirement (except retired MPs of course - and the more privileged public sector workers)
But it won't be an ageing workforce. As many as can are leaving to retire in a more civilised country!
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Want a bet?
(a) There is no more civilised country /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
(b) Even if they are living abroad their pension will still be funded in UK - so they still require the UK economy to thrive to fund their pension.
(c) I think you'll find a lot of those who "retire to the sun" return to the UK before they get to the residential care stage.
(d) Now that the Gordy Frown has raided everyone's pension no one will be able to afford to move anywhere on retirement (except retired MPs of course - and the more privileged public sector workers)
RupertW
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and remember that once you've lived abroad for 3 months then you're no longer entitled to NHS care. Some people will be very happy with the standard and cost of healthcare in their adopted country, but a lot of others come home once they get any long-term illnesses.
Toryboy1
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How many "civil servants or local; government classes" do you think can actually afford a boat at all, on the patetically piss poor wages we get? And all you productive types in the private sector- who guards you, teaches your kids, fights your wars, heals you when you are sick, locks up the kiddie-fiddlers and other scrotes who prey on you? How many "consultants" have you met who earn 3 times what you do and know naff-all about what you do, who sell you a useless IT system and laugh all the way to the bank? Of course, all private-saector organisations are a model of efficiency and good customer relations- what a laugh!
steve_cronin
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Even the Poet Laureat of the political left.....
...Will Self declared himself sad at no longer being able to look forward to the "Saga Years" folowing the new Son of the Manse's murmerings and the latest moves on ritirement ages.
Steve Cronin
...Will Self declared himself sad at no longer being able to look forward to the "Saga Years" folowing the new Son of the Manse's murmerings and the latest moves on ritirement ages.
Steve Cronin
steve_cronin
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But then of course, when the Asset Tax cometh........
you'll have to pay 'em 15% of the value of your boat each year so not only won't you be able to afford to RETIRE to sail, you won't be able to keep the boat anyway.
Steve Cronin
you'll have to pay 'em 15% of the value of your boat each year so not only won't you be able to afford to RETIRE to sail, you won't be able to keep the boat anyway.
Steve Cronin
DeeGee
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Re: But then of course, when the Asset Tax cometh........
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you'll have to pay 'em 15% of the value of your boat each year so not only won't you be able to afford to RETIRE to sail, you won't be able to keep the boat anyway.
Steve Cronin
[/ QUOTE ]Oh, Steve... I retired in 2004, expect to live about 20yrs, or be incapable of much after that... I was rather relying on things not breaking down completely before I go, but you have me worried..... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Woe is me /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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you'll have to pay 'em 15% of the value of your boat each year so not only won't you be able to afford to RETIRE to sail, you won't be able to keep the boat anyway.
Steve Cronin
[/ QUOTE ]Oh, Steve... I retired in 2004, expect to live about 20yrs, or be incapable of much after that... I was rather relying on things not breaking down completely before I go, but you have me worried..... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Woe is me /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
TheBoatman
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Re: But then of course, when the Asset Tax cometh........
I always planned to retire at 55 but for every year that Gordon's been in number 11 it seems to have added a year to my retirement date.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it occurs to me that I've made a huge mistake in my life. I should never have bothered with an engineering apprenticeship or endless night classes, spending years learning my trade - which normally meant laying on my back under some machinery greased up to the eyeballs and smelling of diesel and oil.
No - what I should have done was become a local councillor and then an MP, I'd have been crap at it but hey aren't they all /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
This would have gauranteed me early retirement on an index linked pension. I could have retired knowing that I had not achieved anything worthwhile, generated the loss of a small rain forest in paperwork and pencils, stayed clean, grease free and probably smelt of Lilacs to boot.
BIG mistake on my part - now all I can see is my retirement date getting further away every year.
Peter.
I always planned to retire at 55 but for every year that Gordon's been in number 11 it seems to have added a year to my retirement date.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it occurs to me that I've made a huge mistake in my life. I should never have bothered with an engineering apprenticeship or endless night classes, spending years learning my trade - which normally meant laying on my back under some machinery greased up to the eyeballs and smelling of diesel and oil.
No - what I should have done was become a local councillor and then an MP, I'd have been crap at it but hey aren't they all /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
This would have gauranteed me early retirement on an index linked pension. I could have retired knowing that I had not achieved anything worthwhile, generated the loss of a small rain forest in paperwork and pencils, stayed clean, grease free and probably smelt of Lilacs to boot.
BIG mistake on my part - now all I can see is my retirement date getting further away every year.
Peter.
bedouin
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Re: But then of course, when the Asset Tax cometh........
It is sickening that this same government who has crippled every other pension in the country have at the same time voted themselves a very generous pension increase.
They have forced the closure of almost all final salary schemes (apart from their own) - they have taxed private pension provision so that everyone will have to work about five more years to achieve the same level of pension. While they themselves have voted to change their entitlement from "1/50s" to "1/40s" - effectively a 20% increase.
It is sickening that this same government who has crippled every other pension in the country have at the same time voted themselves a very generous pension increase.
They have forced the closure of almost all final salary schemes (apart from their own) - they have taxed private pension provision so that everyone will have to work about five more years to achieve the same level of pension. While they themselves have voted to change their entitlement from "1/50s" to "1/40s" - effectively a 20% increase.
Sailfree
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Re: YOU\'re alright then Jack?
Will you just shut up and keep working like you should. Its only by you paying your taxes can the public sector pay their pensions.
I know my place I will keep working - until someone tells me where I can sell up and run to and avoid any further taxes!
Will you just shut up and keep working like you should. Its only by you paying your taxes can the public sector pay their pensions.
I know my place I will keep working - until someone tells me where I can sell up and run to and avoid any further taxes!
bedouin
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Re: YOU\'re alright then Jack?
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Will you just shut up and keep working like you should. Its only by you paying your taxes can the public sector pay their pensions.
I know my place I will keep working - until someone tells me where I can sell up and run to and avoid any further taxes!
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Nothing is certain but death and taxes
Your choice /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Will you just shut up and keep working like you should. Its only by you paying your taxes can the public sector pay their pensions.
I know my place I will keep working - until someone tells me where I can sell up and run to and avoid any further taxes!
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Nothing is certain but death and taxes
Your choice /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Aardee
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Good to see you're not bitter about it...
Richard10002
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How many "civil servants or local; government classes" do you think can actually afford a boat at all, on the patetically piss poor wages we get? And all you productive types in the private sector- who guards you, teaches your kids, fights your wars, heals you when you are sick, locks up the kiddie-fiddlers and other scrotes who prey on you? How many "consultants" have you met who earn 3 times what you do and know naff-all about what you do, who sell you a useless IT system and laugh all the way to the bank? Of course, all private-saector organisations are a model of efficiency and good customer relations- what a laugh!
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MMM!
Nobody guards me... all of the local scrotes know damned well that they can mug anyone they like without much fear of retribution, (even if they get caught, all they have to do is a few hours each week, digging in the local park, or painting a fence), and as for stealing possessions when your not there.. it's a free for all.
Cant blame the teachers, but kids leave school with significantly less in terms of education than when I left school... and this is born out by several teachers I know... dumbed down is the phrase?
Wars? mostly unnecessary wastes of money and completely underfunded in any case.
Kiddie fiddlers seem free to roam and fiddle with impunity and, when eventually caught, nobody is to blame.
Health..... dont get me started!
Consultants... I think it is the government who emply most of them, and seem to give them a blank cheque to produce systems which dont work in practice
Anything else?
How many "civil servants or local; government classes" do you think can actually afford a boat at all, on the patetically piss poor wages we get? And all you productive types in the private sector- who guards you, teaches your kids, fights your wars, heals you when you are sick, locks up the kiddie-fiddlers and other scrotes who prey on you? How many "consultants" have you met who earn 3 times what you do and know naff-all about what you do, who sell you a useless IT system and laugh all the way to the bank? Of course, all private-saector organisations are a model of efficiency and good customer relations- what a laugh!
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MMM!
Nobody guards me... all of the local scrotes know damned well that they can mug anyone they like without much fear of retribution, (even if they get caught, all they have to do is a few hours each week, digging in the local park, or painting a fence), and as for stealing possessions when your not there.. it's a free for all.
Cant blame the teachers, but kids leave school with significantly less in terms of education than when I left school... and this is born out by several teachers I know... dumbed down is the phrase?
Wars? mostly unnecessary wastes of money and completely underfunded in any case.
Kiddie fiddlers seem free to roam and fiddle with impunity and, when eventually caught, nobody is to blame.
Health..... dont get me started!
Consultants... I think it is the government who emply most of them, and seem to give them a blank cheque to produce systems which dont work in practice
Anything else?
Richard10002
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Re: But then of course, when the Asset Tax cometh........
Whilst not a party leader, if you get a chance to listen to William Hagues speech of yesterday, it was accurate, damning, and amusing, in its' condemnation of NuLabour.
If his words could be put in Camerons' mouth.....
"it was my job in 1997 to reply to Gordon Browns first budget speech, when a tiny and well hidden reform of the pensions rules allowed him to take over £5 billion per year from pension funds.... that totals around £60 billion during the life of this government"
"Last week, Gordon brown promised to put new initiatives in place to reform the Health Service and Education.... What on earth have they been doing for the past 9 years???"
and I was conned into voting for labour in 1997!!!
Whilst not a party leader, if you get a chance to listen to William Hagues speech of yesterday, it was accurate, damning, and amusing, in its' condemnation of NuLabour.
If his words could be put in Camerons' mouth.....
"it was my job in 1997 to reply to Gordon Browns first budget speech, when a tiny and well hidden reform of the pensions rules allowed him to take over £5 billion per year from pension funds.... that totals around £60 billion during the life of this government"
"Last week, Gordon brown promised to put new initiatives in place to reform the Health Service and Education.... What on earth have they been doing for the past 9 years???"
and I was conned into voting for labour in 1997!!!
Clive_Rigden
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Re: YOU\'re alright then Jack?
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Will you just shut up and keep working like you should. Its only by you paying your taxes can the public sector pay their pensions.
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Hear, hear! It's 2 o'clock now, so back to your nets, lathes and quills chaps !
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Will you just shut up and keep working like you should. Its only by you paying your taxes can the public sector pay their pensions.
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Hear, hear! It's 2 o'clock now, so back to your nets, lathes and quills chaps !
Slow_boat
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Re: But then of course, when the Asset Tax cometh........
Isn't it strange that when the self serving private sector was big in wages and bonuses, getting massive private pensions and retiring early then they were to be admired.
Now that the public sector employees on around the national average wage are asking their employer to stick to their side of the bargain jealosy seems to be the order of the day.
People just can't wait to jump on the band wagon manufactured by Bliar and Brown to get out of their contract.
Well, never mind. I may be retiring before you but it is a fact that people in my profession tend to die early due to the accumulation of shift work, stress and injuries sustained whilst doing their duty, so it won't cost the tax payer much in the end anyway.
BTW, I pay 11% into my pension every month. That's a bit more than most and the only reason that my pension scheme is safe is that there isn't one.
Mind you, Bliar is only whipping up public opinion so that he can stab us in the back anyway so go, play into his hands!
Isn't it strange that when the self serving private sector was big in wages and bonuses, getting massive private pensions and retiring early then they were to be admired.
Now that the public sector employees on around the national average wage are asking their employer to stick to their side of the bargain jealosy seems to be the order of the day.
People just can't wait to jump on the band wagon manufactured by Bliar and Brown to get out of their contract.
Well, never mind. I may be retiring before you but it is a fact that people in my profession tend to die early due to the accumulation of shift work, stress and injuries sustained whilst doing their duty, so it won't cost the tax payer much in the end anyway.
BTW, I pay 11% into my pension every month. That's a bit more than most and the only reason that my pension scheme is safe is that there isn't one.
Mind you, Bliar is only whipping up public opinion so that he can stab us in the back anyway so go, play into his hands!
steve_cronin
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Re: YOU\'re alright then Jack?
Press gangs still around then?
I've told my two sons that there is a fine career in the services but just remember, if the baloon DOES go up. You are in the front line.
Marvellous life though if you're suited to it. A cousin and an uncle did very well out of it. So did another cousin and his wife out of the police force. Good luck to them but I resent the attitude of the serviceman who made the "Listen to me not giving a damn" response.
Steve Cronin
Press gangs still around then?
I've told my two sons that there is a fine career in the services but just remember, if the baloon DOES go up. You are in the front line.
Marvellous life though if you're suited to it. A cousin and an uncle did very well out of it. So did another cousin and his wife out of the police force. Good luck to them but I resent the attitude of the serviceman who made the "Listen to me not giving a damn" response.
Steve Cronin
tcm
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You were lucky
i think you mean "Envy"?
i think you mean "Envy"?