So its not just the amateurs that cock it up
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Sans Bateau
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Its NOT the amateurs that cock it up. Titanic built by professionals, the Ark built by amateurs!
graham
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I know the Waverley and balmoral work to very tight tide margins in very small harbours.Touching the bottom is obviously a mistake but they really do put those ships into very tight spaces with only a matchstick clearance under the keel.
Poignard
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"The man who never made a mistake, never made anything"
Lizzie_B
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Well they do have far more opportunity /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Aja
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Not the first.
Gantocks
Sanda
and now Girvan. The list grows ever longer.
In their defence (Waverly crew) I've seen them steaming through the Narrows at Colintraive with inches (real inches) to spare on either side, with a depth below keel of about 1.5 metres....
Donald
Gantocks
Sanda
and now Girvan. The list grows ever longer.
In their defence (Waverly crew) I've seen them steaming through the Narrows at Colintraive with inches (real inches) to spare on either side, with a depth below keel of about 1.5 metres....
Donald
Twister_Ken
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Once met a VLCC jockey who claimed that they were often in channels with no more than a foot of water under them. Mind you, it might have been the gin talking.
Sans Bateau
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Mind you, it might have been the gin talking
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It might have been the gin he was talking about of course!
Mind you, it might have been the gin talking
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It might have been the gin he was talking about of course!
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I was in Girvan 2 weeks ago and the harbourmaster told me grounding was no problem as he could drive a pole 14 foot into the silt on the bottom.
Gunfleet
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Is that another
one of them low paid jobs the Poles are said to be taking?
one of them low paid jobs the Poles are said to be taking?
rhumlady
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Re: Is that another
It's not going through the Kyles with inches to spare that gets me, it's the speen that they do it. When sailing the Clyde and hearing her you need to do as you do with ma overboard and get someone to keep a sharp eye on her as she takes no prisoners!!!
It's not going through the Kyles with inches to spare that gets me, it's the speen that they do it. When sailing the Clyde and hearing her you need to do as you do with ma overboard and get someone to keep a sharp eye on her as she takes no prisoners!!!
fisherman
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Once met a VLCC jockey who claimed that they were often in channels with no more than a foot of water under them. Mind you, it might have been the gin talking.
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A channel pilot told me that 1000 box container ships go in from the Texel buoy with 1 metre under the keel.
Once met a VLCC jockey who claimed that they were often in channels with no more than a foot of water under them. Mind you, it might have been the gin talking.
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A channel pilot told me that 1000 box container ships go in from the Texel buoy with 1 metre under the keel.
savageseadog
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one of them low paid jobs the Poles are said to be taking?
[/ QUOTE ]Yes they're cheap and dispensible.
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one of them low paid jobs the Poles are said to be taking?
[/ QUOTE ]Yes they're cheap and dispensible.
penfold
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It was a bit of muppetry to go into Girvan at low water; very nasty bar at the entrance with, depending on the last storm, probably a good bit less than 6ft mlws. Clearly it was less than the necessary when the gangway was pulled in. I realise going to new places makes for a more interesting itinerary, but that doesn't abrogate the master's responsibility for the safety of the vessel and SLC. A word with the harbourmaster or a look at a pilot book would have told him to avoid Girvan 2 hours either side of low water.
cheers,
David
cheers,
David
peterb
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Re: Is that another
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It's not going through the Kyles with inches to spare that gets me, it's the speed that they do it.
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Last time I was up that way we were experimenting with locking the autopilot to a GPS route. For fun, we had set up a route round the Kyles and through the Burnt Island passage. We were 5 minutes away from the passage when Waverly appeared coming the other way (and, as you say, fast). We stayed on lock, but slowed down to minimum speed, ready to get out of her way. Waverly cleared the passage, then headed for a jetty take on or drop some passengers. We were able to carry on on our route, which took us nicely through the middle of the passage.
I understand that Waverly is quite difficult to manoeuvre because her paddles are linked solidly together, and all the steerage comes from the rudder. Can anyone confirm that?
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It's not going through the Kyles with inches to spare that gets me, it's the speed that they do it.
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Last time I was up that way we were experimenting with locking the autopilot to a GPS route. For fun, we had set up a route round the Kyles and through the Burnt Island passage. We were 5 minutes away from the passage when Waverly appeared coming the other way (and, as you say, fast). We stayed on lock, but slowed down to minimum speed, ready to get out of her way. Waverly cleared the passage, then headed for a jetty take on or drop some passengers. We were able to carry on on our route, which took us nicely through the middle of the passage.
I understand that Waverly is quite difficult to manoeuvre because her paddles are linked solidly together, and all the steerage comes from the rudder. Can anyone confirm that?
duncanmack
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Waverley has to be going fairly smartly for her to steer - she only has the speed of the water going past her rudder. The faster she goes the better she answers her helm.
You are correct that the paddles are linked - one on each end of the crankshaft.
I am unaware of any paddle steamer which has independently rotating paddlewheels.
She can stop very quickly though. (even without the assistance of underwater objects. LOL)
You should go for a sail on her - marvellous!
Waverley has to be going fairly smartly for her to steer - she only has the speed of the water going past her rudder. The faster she goes the better she answers her helm.
You are correct that the paddles are linked - one on each end of the crankshaft.
I am unaware of any paddle steamer which has independently rotating paddlewheels.
She can stop very quickly though. (even without the assistance of underwater objects. LOL)
You should go for a sail on her - marvellous!
LeonF
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Ouch!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Ouch!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Andrew_Fanner
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Don't think any paddlers now have independantly driven paddles but time was when they did, needs two engines or clever gearing. Very useful in tugs.
Don't think any paddlers now have independantly driven paddles but time was when they did, needs two engines or clever gearing. Very useful in tugs.
rhumlady
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Saw her in Oban a few years ago leaving the North pier. Went astern right across the bay and wondered if she was going to go south down the Sound of Kerera astern.
Saw her in Oban a few years ago leaving the North pier. Went astern right across the bay and wondered if she was going to go south down the Sound of Kerera astern.
Slow_boat
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There used to be a paddle wheel tug with independant paddles in Portsmouth Harbour when I was a kid. It couldn't half manouver! We in Jim Butchers boats (the little blue ones) were dead jealous.
I think Waverly was an Isle of Wight ferry for a long time, wasn't she?
And those of you who sail the Western Isles with 50 meters under the keel, have a thought for us East Coasters who rate a meter under the keel as plenty!
There used to be a paddle wheel tug with independant paddles in Portsmouth Harbour when I was a kid. It couldn't half manouver! We in Jim Butchers boats (the little blue ones) were dead jealous.
I think Waverly was an Isle of Wight ferry for a long time, wasn't she?
And those of you who sail the Western Isles with 50 meters under the keel, have a thought for us East Coasters who rate a meter under the keel as plenty!
