So Dylan Winter seems like a jolly nice chap... Great videos!

[DickB]

So it struck me that I enjoyed his videos every bit as much as Timothy Spall on his barge.

It seems to me that Dylan ought to be supplying the Beeb with some of his stuff for broadcast (and getting more recognition) and not just supplying YouTube. BTW, check out "KeepTurningLeft" on YouTube. Nice gentle informative stuff!

How do we (forumites) get him recognised?

I looked in vain at the BBC websites for a suggestions page... To no avail. Any ideas? ITV? Channel4?

cheers,

Dick

PS - Never met the guy but like his videos!

 

[steveeasy]

Really, some of you need to get a life. does the silence not say anything!!.

Steveeasy

 

[NormanB]

Dylan is not interested in mainstream film production. - he prefers the control that comes with independent production.

 

[dylanwinter]

Dylan is not interested in mainstream film production. - he prefers the control that comes with independent production.

that is true - the bbC would burden me with a film crew, then tell me what to do, get me to all sort of bollix like dressing up in pirate gear and finally turn it all into a race against time

there have been a few cash flow lumps in the road along the way

the current blip is the biggest yet

but it is not over until the fat person sings

D

 

[Pye_End]

Have you tried the Nautical Channel on Showcase?

 

[Iminei]

Really, some of you need to get a life. does the silence not say anything!!.

Steveeasy

It does actually. It had occurred to me that although I've only just discovered KTL the rest of you have been watching for 8 years & now want a bikini or two! Still I'd rather give some of my money to KTL than Rupert Murdoch.

 

[EdWingfield]

but it is not over until the fat person sings

D

Idea. Dylan should seek suitable proxy local skippers from us 'orrible lot.

We know our own backyards. We know our local waters. We know the stories that might interest Dylan.

Interested skippers should watch Dylans video 'hints and tips', make a demo film, and send it off to Dylan for his assessment. Those skippers who make the grade might be given an assignment.

Then Dylan, from his armchair back home, decides what footage/audio he can use, and creates his 10 min film.

We locals benefit from being part of the fun.

Win win?

 

[alan_d]

Idea. Dylan should seek suitable proxy local skippers from us 'orrible lot.

We know our own backyards. We know our local waters. We know the stories that might interest Dylan.

Interested skippers should watch Dylans video 'hints and tips', make a demo film, and send it off to Dylan for his assessment. Those skippers who make the grade might be given an assignment.

Then Dylan, from his armchair back home, decides what footage/audio he can use, and creates his 10 min film.

We locals benefit from being part of the fun.

Win win?

I think you're missing the point. Dylan doesn't go sailing so he can make films, he makes films to help to fund his sailing.

 

[Robin]

that is true - the bbC would burden me with a film crew, then tell me what to do, get me to all sort of bollix like dressing up in pirate gear and finally turn it all into a race against time

there have been a few cash flow lumps in the road along the way

the current blip is the biggest yet

but it is not over until the fat person sings

D

You would have to wear an approved life jacket too and have a safety boat to hand.:disgust:

 

[dylanwinter]

TV turns everything into nonsense

They would certianly force me to where a life jacket and be tethered to the boat

I made a TV series about riding my western horse across kent in the hoofsteps of William Cobbet

as a western rider you do not wear a helmet

no western riders wear them

it took seven meetings for the lawyers and safety people to agree that I could avoid looking like a terrified safety conscious nirk with a head the size of a mellon

they then deiced that I could be allowed to not wear a helmet but that I was never allowed to let the horse canter on screen

I like to think that I am ordinary sailor making exceptional films

shame I have had to sell the most reliable boat I have ever owned

However, my daughters digital strategy is working

She says that most of the 12,000 who watch the films never look at the number of hits on the films - they watch my films in they same place as they watch the click bait bikini films and are thereforeI am as popular and as rich as the market leaders

one bloke sent me an email -from the states needless to say - who said he thought I was an eccentric English millionnaire who liked sailing shit boats and enjoyed making films for a hobby.

It came as a great shock to him when he realised that I have to put diesel in the car to get to the boat and that I am being forced to sell the shit box

all I have to do is to get 5 percent of those 12,000 viewers to chip in

my daughter says that is all but impossible

at the moment the bikini sailors get a tap through rate of 0.4 per cent

I am currently getting 1.5 per cent - but obviously from a much smaller audience.

and you are right

I only make the films to allow me to sail further and more often than I could otherwise pay for. I am a semi retired pensionless old cameraman. I have a bloody lovely house but everything else is old and worn out

D

 

[Mariner69]

but everything else is old and worn out

D

Will you stop looking over my shoulder!!

But joking aside, your films are great and at a comfortable pace for the more relaxed (or should I say aged) of us.

I suppose you could take the idea above of the local interest and have numerous young ladies in bikinis in various ports around the UK but that would be exploitative and sexist which would be wrong but surprisingly generate huge numbers of hits. The 70's really was the best decade.

Good luck with the films.

Keep on filming.

 

[Triassic]

...... but everything else is old and worn out

D

Except the boat.... (you are trying to sell it you know!)

Personally I think it's a real shame that something like the KTL "project" is potentially not going to get finished. Much as I like the idea of Dylan being able to orchestrate it's completion from his living room the reality is that he is the star of the show and the subject matter wouldn't be nearly as engaging without his rather unique delivery....

Making viewers assorted boats available to him at various locations, or better still coming up with a plan that would keep his current vessel available to him is an option, but without being to nosey I suspect that the cost of the travelling together with the time extracted from other activities may be a bigger issue than the capital tied up in Lily-M. (sorry Dylan if that's a bit presumptuous....)

 

[dylanwinter]

Except the boat.... (you are trying to sell it you know!)

Personally I think it's a real shame that something like the KTL "project" is potentially not going to get finished. Much as I like the idea of Dylan being able to orchestrate it's completion from his living room the reality is that he is the star of the show and the subject matter wouldn't be nearly as engaging without his rather unique delivery....

Making viewers assorted boats available to him at various locations, or better still coming up with a plan that would keep his current vessel available to him is an option, but without being to nosey I suspect that the cost of the travelling together with the time extracted from other activities may be a bigger issue than the capital tied up in Lily-M. (sorry Dylan if that's a bit presumptuous....)

it is a bit. I am really up for the travelling and the hard sailing. I am 61 and it - I know my active years are numbered and thios is a big island.

I was like wily coyote running off a cliff - I kept running in the hope that it would postpone the fall.

Paypal last year was about 4K. Running the boat and the travel was 6.5K. The camera need replacing, the outboard nicked from the minsytrel needs replacing.

I have had some gret suggestions from people who do not want to chip in - they ranger from sell my retirement boat, don't let my wife come sailing with me, go to scotland by bus, sell my house.

At the moment if I get 8K for the boat I can clear the project debts and return Katie L to good sailing condition.

Having said that the reminders in the youtbe film, the news that I am selling my boat (and therefore not crying wolf/being greedy etc) has made a few of the 8,000 regular youtube freeloaders chip in.

It is amazing that the project could be back on track if I can get to the pint where 95 per cent of the users do not chip in.

the strategy set by my digital media daughter seems to be working. If things can be kept going at this rate - big if - then I could be ready to re-boot next spring with a boat with inside steering.

At the moment 1.5 per cent of the people who watch my films chip in - La Vagabonde on the other hand is only getting 0.4 per cent of people chipping in.

My daughter says that most people who watch the films will take no notice of the number of hits - as far as they are concerned my films are on youtube and therefore I am as rich as the click bait girls sailing in hot places.

telling the youtubers that it will all stop soon and letting them know what they will be missing ifn it does is working.

I have always said that the digital journey, dancing around the google algorithms has always been infinitely more challenging than sailing or making the films. Sadly doing the digital stuff and feeding youtube is taking up ore and more time.

D

 

[Triassic]

Dylan, you know far more about the workings and finances around Youtube than I would ever pretend to, anything I've ever posted on there has simply been for the fun of it rather than any business venture, however I know that for some it clearly pays (I do happen to be a fan of La Vagabonde but I'm also aware they've just been sponsored to the tune of a brand new catamaran......). I've been watching your films for a while and it never really occurred to me until recently that you could benefit through it, (I always thought the money came through the linked adverts and that went to Youtube...) and I'm sure there are others as equally ignorant as me....
My dad once told me that people place no value on things they get for free so perhaps that is the drawback of Youtube....

Good luck with your daughters strategy, I really hope she can pull it off for you.

 

[Billows]

that is true - the bbC would burden me with a film crew, then tell me what to do, get me to all sort of bollix like dressing up in pirate gear and finally turn it all into a race against time

there have been a few cash flow lumps in the road along the way

the current blip is the biggest yet

but it is not over until the fat person sings

D

Could you not say everything is ''extraordinary, amazing, incredible,unbelievable' in an annoying accent?

 

[dylanwinter]

Dylan, you know far more about the workings and finances around Youtube than I would ever pretend to, anything I've ever posted on there has simply been for the fun of it rather than any business venture, however I know that for some it clearly pays (I do happen to be a fan of La Vagabonde but I'm also aware they've just been sponsored to the tune of a brand new catamaran......). I've been watching your films for a while and it never really occurred to me until recently that you could benefit through it, (I always thought the money came through the linked adverts and that went to Youtube...) and I'm sure there are others as equally ignorant as me....
My dad once told me that people place no value on things they get for free so perhaps that is the drawback of Youtube....

Good luck with your daughters strategy, I really hope she can pull it off for you.

they are also getting $9,000 a week from patreon. I had assumed that when the announcement came through that bthey yhad got their cat the numbers of patreons would drop - blow me it went up by about 120.

the kids are wonderful, their work ethic is amazing, their films are lovely easy watching - a bit like a happy soap opera. Goodonem.

As Eleanor says, and you are confirming. My films and their films appear in the same place - down the right hand side of the screen and eventually on their smart TVs - almost no-one looks at the number of hits each film gets. They get 250,000 in the first week of a film with a decent click bait thumbnail on it. Mine get 12,000 and then drop away.

What I have to do is to train a few of those 12,000 viewers to chip in.

at trrhe moment the kids have `1200 regular patron - that is a reponse rate of around 0.4 per cent. My response rate is around 1.5 per cent. Eleanor says that is amazing. If we can drive it up to 5 per cent who0 occasionally click through then I am, back solvent again. Can we do it? she says that would be almost impossible. But it is worth trying.

One simple thing I am doing is to re-digitise the old films - four years old - and put them with title google likes and also put my ugly jowly fizzog in at least half the thumbnails.

Blow me if that is not working. people would rather click on an ugly familiar face than a lovely boat.

The digital and money journey has been much, much more of a challeneg than anything the sea has managed to dream up to throw at me.

I do feel that since people realised that I am selling the boat things have changed. They felt that I was either just crying wolf or being greedy asking for funds. Tiy can see on here the non clicker who in a good natured way tell me that they will promise to buy me a beer if they meet me. Even blokes on here think that I am sailing a centaur because I like them. But that allows them to keep their hands in their pockets.

I have to make those blokes feel slightly guilty..... but not resentful.


getting the right tone of the inserts in the films will be a real challenge - far harder than making decent films. She says I have to spend less time sailing and more time manipulating freeloading youtube viewing sailors.

watch this space.

D

 

[backwaters]

Dylan,

Suggest to get your viewings up and really bring the £££ in that you wear a 'mankini' and show us some skin...then you can compete with the beautiful peoples YouTube channels!

 

[Iminei]

snip / suppose you could take the idea above of the local interest and have numerous young ladies in bikinis in various ports around the UK /snip

I had a sudden memory of Sharon & Tracy from Viz

 

[Triassic]

I'm not going to deny for one moment that Eleanor is good on the eye, but actually I don't think that is why they have enjoyed so much success. What you have with La Vagabonde is two fairly average people in a very ordinary boat living their dream and showing us all that we could to. I've certainly enjoyed watching them develop and mature over the past two years but it's the ongoing journey that has held me, and I believe others, captivated and waiting for the next episode.

I don't think you're that different Dylan. I great deal of the appeal is that you're proving you don't need loads of money and a flash boat to enjoy the British coastline and because the majority of your content is about the locations rather than the journey you don't even have to be a sailor to find them interesting and entertaining (I know this because my wife told me so....). I'm surprised the local tourists boards haven't got you on commission!

 

[dylanwinter]

I'm not going to deny for one moment that Eleanor is good on the eye, but actually I don't think that is why they have enjoyed so much success. What you have with La Vagabonde is two fairly average people in a very ordinary boat living their dream and showing us all that we could to. I've certainly enjoyed watching them develop and mature over the past two years but it's the ongoing journey that has held me, and I believe others, captivated and waiting for the next episode.

I don't think you're that different Dylan. I great deal of the appeal is that you're proving you don't need loads of money and a flash boat to enjoy the British coastline and because the majority of your content is about the locations rather than the journey you don't even have to be a sailor to find them interesting and entertaining (I know this because my wife told me so....). I'm surprised the local tourists boards haven't got you on commission!

the local tourist boards would find me most unappealing - old jowly white man, crap boat, politically incorrect. Can you imagine what a tourist quango would want - how many meetings, how many spread sheets of costs and benefits, how many exhibitions they would want me to speak at. All for £250 quid a year and their log plastered over everything in site. Complaints that they were very keen to promite newcastle and could I come back with the boat and re-do0 it on a sunny day.

D