Smallest cruising sail boats for carrying a scooter?

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Many of the cruising yachting fraternity have extended their shore range beyond easy walking distance by carrying a couple of folding bicycles on board. My wife and I have these. They are fine for short trips to the shops, post office, cafe, etc. and a little further. We have done trips up to 15 km away on them. I have been thinking about what would be needed to extend well beyond comfortable bicycle range to visit places and friends located say fifty miles or more from the coast and what minimum size and models of sailing boats would be needed to accommodate this. Large motor yachts of the Paul Allen size carry 4 wheelers for use on shore, as well as a helicopter. Obviously this is way beyond the practical and financial reaches of ordinary yachties and their much smaller cruising sail boats, so let’s consider the minimum to get us motoring ashore. The next step up from pedal power for two people would seem to be a small scooter. A single seater vehicle, such as a moped, would be unacceptable.

A Vespa 125 or similar sized scooter would enable two persons to comfortably visit a place or person fifty miles or more away from the harbour. Some overnight gear could be carried under the seat and in a backpack. I have been thinking about the practicalities and problems of a scooter for boating use. An online search did not turn up anything so I will appreciate the thoughts, experiences and suggestions of others.

Here is a review of the Vespa 125: www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorbikes/9344405/Vespa-LX125-3V-review.html Similar sized scooters, some at lower prices, are available from Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean makers. Here are some comments on these small scooters: www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorb...ters-and-motorcycle-buck-the-sales-trend.html The Vespa weighs about 114 kg (251 lb)

Let’s look at some challenges:

A cruising yacht would have to be large enough to carry this fairly large and weighty object and have the space to store it without compromising other onboard activities.
Next would be getting the scooter down below to a suitable storage position and securing it so it will stay in place during a rough trip. Access to get it below would seem to be the main problem here as most cruising yachts are not designed for carrying scooters.
Next, getting it on and off the boat. This would mean being alongside as using a small inflatable dinghy to transfer the scooter from an anchored yacht to a beach would be rather impractical. With booms, halyards, blocks and tackle, etc. already available it should be fairly easy to hoist the scooter between the boat and a landing stage/pier/quay that does not tower too far above the boat.
If the pier or landing stage is at the same level as the deck then it should be possible to wheel the scooter ashore and aboard on a suitable gangway and it could be stored on deck between trips while in port.
In some situations it might be convenient to be able to keep the scooter on shore during an extended stay, instead of transporting it between boat and land for every trip. In this situation is adequate security available in or near most marinas, harbours, etc to stop it being stolen or vandalised, particularly at night?

What other problems might there be?

As mentioned, I drew a blank with an online search so perhaps this will stir up some advice and suggestions for anyone else who might be interested in the concept. So, what would be the smallest size of sailing yacht and some suggested models that would be able to carry such a scooter? I will appreciate the thoughts and hopefully some experiences of others.
 

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Throughout Greece you can rent a scooter for €7 or €8 per day. I suspect the same is the case in France, Spain and Italy. This seems a far cheaper option than buying a boat designed to carry one.

Disregarding the boat, I am struggling to think of many places where it would be possible to get a scooter ashore without big problems. Most Atlantic French finger pontoons seem to have insufficient buoyancy to stand on and even substantial ones might struggle with a scooter plus rider. Mediterranean stern-to berthing doesn't seem to lend itself too well to landing a scooter. I have not come across too many places anywhere where an alongside berth against a wall can be guaranteed.
 

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ccscott of this parish has a 63ish footer and a motorbike.

I had folding scooters and the scooters went rusty. At this very moment i have rented a catamaran.

Anyways, scooter is meh, okay, but of course you really want to rent a whamitty motorbike and rip around, of course.

I think the faff of getting it all ashore wd be to much
 

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We know of a 14m boat which carried an electric scooter on board. It had a range of about 100km on a charge and would carry 2 people; not fast but an idea. It was, once the battery was removed, light enough to be man handled up and down the companionway and thence ashore. I wouldn't fancy trying to get it in and out of a dinghy though.

It has the additional advantage of not being a motor vehicle in most of the Med countries, thus avoinding registration and insurance issues which would plague you with a motor vehicle.

There's also the battery assisted bike idae to look at - not as fast as a scooter but easier than pedal power alone.
 
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I think the trouble of getting a vespa 125 on and off the boat cause it to be rarely used, and having it on deck is gonna make the thing rust to pieces. They are not light; I used to have trouble getting one up the few steps in front of the house.

The rent/taxi option would probably work out cheaper. Plus have you ever tried doing a 50km return trip on a 125 Vespa with 2 people? It's not as fun as it sounds.
 

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You can buy a replacement front wheel to convert an existing bike into electric assist. The motor is built into the hub of the wheel ,the battery goes on a rack at the back. They are designed to do 15 mph max but you can change gear ratios to get more speed.
 

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I considered this with a 55 yacht. It does have lots of attraction however much people say rent when you get there, a scooter would give lots of convenience.

Although I have a large lazarette I decided it would be a big effort to lower ia scooter down (assuming it would fit, I can get the bikes down without folding) and I wouldnt want it in the saloon or other cabins. The there are the potential insurance and licensing issues. All in all I decided it was a step too far.

I do think the current clutch of electric bikes are a very attractive alternative. The range has increased enormously and there arent any insurance or licensing issues. I appreciate you are speed and range limited compared with a scooter although I guess you could carry an extra charged battery. They are also light and some foldable. Moreover I think you could get them ashore in a tender where needed, I manage the two existing bikes that way when needs must.

I guess you do need enough power on board from a Genset, or solar and an inverter albeit with reasonable house batteries they arent going to draw a huge amount of amps.

PS I like the idea of the motorised bike above, and while I guess the authorities will not take too much interest, in the UK they would not be legal, and you can imagine there could be "issues" in some places
 
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Adding to this Lazarus thread:encouragement: We had a BSA winged wheel in the 60's, engine in the back wheel.
 

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I have a Moody 44 in Greece. Centre cockpit with a decent sized aft deck and gates both sides of the pushpit. Gangway leads to starboard gate. We carry 2 folding bikes (or did until one was stolen a few weeks ago) stood on the aft deck with room to walk from side to side in front of them. They are quite easy to get on and off moored stern to. They live on deck made up ready to use thanks to the Greek weather.
Ours are standard pedal bikes but I've often thought battery assisted would be just as simple. Motor bikes, however, would be a major step up and I think would spend too much time swimming!
 

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I met a French sailor who had a “Monkey” motorcycle on his big Amel. I had to get into town shopping for new sails, he offered me a lift.
Two big fat guys on a small Monkey.
Little did I know the French guy had earned his money building and racing cars. The horror I encountered sitting on the back of that little motorcycle which he had “tuned” to be a race monkey was relentless. I still get cramps in my hands thinking of it.
He took streets against the flow of traffic, my knees just inches from passing cars. Rocketed over and trough potholes, never throttled below 30.

Not what you have in mind.
 
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