rogerthebodger
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Try this one handed bowline.
http://www.animatedknots.com/bowlin...ge=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
Slip knot Bowline - so much cooler than rabbit out the hole and around the tree
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Try this one handed bowline.
http://www.animatedknots.com/bowlin...ge=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
RichardS
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Thank you for all the explanations of how to tie a bowline the beast way, it would seem that there a few different ways to achieve similar, (wont say the same) knot. Its all most interesting, must get an odd length and sit somewhere quiet and practice tying the knot.
But back to my query earlier, why use a bowline, as it just might seem that there is more chance of '''getting it wrong' than almost any other knot or hitch. Getting it wrong afloat just might have dire consequences on many an occasion
From distant memories, the bowline always caused the most consternation in boat clubs and even before that boy scouts, when practice time involved tying knots.
Perhaps its one of those knots that once mastered tis 'easy peasy' until you are asked to demonstrate it to someone, then its all fingers and dropped loops, or something
It drives me mad that, no matter how much I practice at home and get it right every time, when I am on the boat I get it wrong about 25% of the time because the rabbit runs the wrong way round the bleedin' tree. It's obvious it's wrong as it falls apart when I tug it but I just wish I could get it right every time!
Richard
VicS
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It drives me mad that, no matter how much I practice at home and get it right every time, when I am on the boat I get it wrong about 25% of the time because the rabbit runs the wrong way round the bleedin' tree. It's obvious it's wrong as it falls apart when I tug it but I just wish I could get it right every time!
Richard
I dont think it matters which way the rabbit runs round the tree. In fact Grog says,
"Left Handed Bowline:
When tied as shown in the animation, the tail end lies in the middle of the loop. However, if the end is passed the opposite way round the standing end, it forms a "Left Handed" bowline (ABOK # 1034 1/2, p 188).
The left handed version performs satisfactorily and withstands ring-tension (a distending force applied either side) better than the standard bowline. However, the tail end is more likely to catch an adjacent rope or spar."
When tied as shown in the animation, the tail end lies in the middle of the loop. However, if the end is passed the opposite way round the standing end, it forms a "Left Handed" bowline (ABOK # 1034 1/2, p 188).
The left handed version performs satisfactorily and withstands ring-tension (a distending force applied either side) better than the standard bowline. However, the tail end is more likely to catch an adjacent rope or spar."
you must be doing something else wrong. perhaps you have the tree in front of the hole instead of the hole in front of the tree
skyflyer
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It drives me mad that, no matter how much I practice at home and get it right every time, when I am on the boat I get it wrong about 25% of the time because the rabbit runs the wrong way round the bleedin' tree. It's obvious it's wrong as it falls apart when I tug it but I just wish I could get it right every time!
Richard
Richard - easy way to remember is that when you make the loop, the part that runs away from the end (i.e. the working part of the line) needs to be on the bottom, then so long as the rabbit comes out the hole it doesn't matter which way it goes round the tree and back down the hole.
Edited to add: I suppose another way of thinking of it is that whichever way you form the loop, the 'rabbit' must start its journey from the same side of the loop as the working part of the line?
RichardS
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I've just tried it with a piece on line and you're both right. It's not the "round the tree" bit it's the "loop and tree" orientation which I screw-up when I'm under pressure.
Sometimes I seem to have the loop on top and sometimes underneath but the "rabbit starting it's journey from the same side of the loop as the working part" seems to work for me.
Many thanks guys!
Richard
snowleopard
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Dylan's clip illustrates the pitfall of the slip knot technique - the slip knot has to capsize after you put the working end through the loop. It works fine if you have tied the slip knot with the correct amount of tension. If not, you'll have to 'help' it invert as in the first attempt in the clip. Note that there are two ways of tying a slipknot - one where you pull the working end to tighten, the other where you pull the standing part. Only the second one produces a bowline so someone new to this technique can easily get it wrong.
The wrist-twist technique is the slickest but I tend to revert by habit to the technique I learned 50 years ago when one secured a climbing rope round one's waist with a bowline - Make an overhand knot, then pull on the working end. That puts the loop in the standing part with the working end already threaded so one just has to pass the end around the back and down the hole again.
SWMBO has no natural affinity for things nautical and has to be reminded how to secure the dinghy painter every season. The commonest beginner mistake is to form the rabbit hole without twisting it so it all falls apart.
And don't get me started on whether the tail should be inside or outside the bight!
Giblets
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I was told many years ago that when tying a bowline you should pull each line coming out of the knot individually to ensure the knot is tight.
BelleSerene
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VicS
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I would have thought that the "twist wrist" technique was the ideal method to use if tying a bowline round ones waist. Round my waist is the way I usually demonstrate it.