Its_Only_Money
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Ah - but she "knew nothing about boats" so a quick removal of stickers to remove the evidence then obviously its a 20hp.....
Sinister undercurrent!
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tringa
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Why such an odd distance ?
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A nautical mile is the distance at the surface of the earth that subtends an angle of 1 minute at the centre. Distance, angle and time are, of course, interchangeable. Astro navigation is based upon this correspondence.
A cable is one tenth of a nautical mile.
Why such an odd distance ?
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A nautical mile is the distance at the surface of the earth that subtends an angle of 1 minute at the centre. Distance, angle and time are, of course, interchangeable. Astro navigation is based upon this correspondence.
A cable is one tenth of a nautical mile.
DAKA
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Hold up!
If you are between the low water mark and the high when technically its the Queens' Bottom -
This is effectively common land and you can use it. Private land is ashore of the MHWS mark.
Only the "River Police" have authority here.
It would take hours for them to arrive from
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Hold up!
If you are between the low water mark and the high when technically its the Queens' Bottom -
This is effectively common land and you can use it. Private land is ashore of the MHWS mark.
Only the "River Police" have authority here.
It would take hours for them to arrive from
St Albans range or Dungerness range /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Dyflin
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A cable is 1/10th of a nautical mile. So equal to 185.2m
Vagabond
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Hate to say this but a friend of my girlfriend's was killed this week while on holiday.
She was swimming off a beach and was hit by a speed boat.
Obviously a tender isn't in the same league but I wouldn't be surprised if things tighten up on beaches with regard to tenders with outboards and the like.
Maybe a case of shut down the outboard and row the rest of the way.
She was swimming off a beach and was hit by a speed boat.
Obviously a tender isn't in the same league but I wouldn't be surprised if things tighten up on beaches with regard to tenders with outboards and the like.
Maybe a case of shut down the outboard and row the rest of the way.
DERF
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Terrible
That is a terribly sad, tragic and unfortunate accident.
I wonder though, has there been a sudden increase in deaths/injury off the beaches recently.
In the decades that outboards and boats have been plying the thousands of beaches around the world since the 50's, why is it only now that people are starting to become voiciferous about "protecting swimmers and banning anything that moves with a few hudred yards of them"
Have we become more irresponsible? Are there thousands more boats dashing through swimmers? Are there thousands more swimmers off the beaches?
Or is this a case of a country becomming ever more frightened of litigation, where no one has any responsibility for their own actions, (sometimes stupid). and the easiest solution is a blame culture?
Should we immediately call for a ban on boats comming within site of beaches for fear of someone beng injured or killed, because they are a easy target.
Boats haven't suddenly become more dangerous near beaches, they alway have been. So why has public opinion changed?
Then we read that some radical muslim fundamentalist who lives here and promotes mass murder can't be prosecuted because of his human rights.....Arrrgghh! I don't hear the population calling on a ban of all muslims do you? Sorry thread drift, but I'm sure you see my point.
Boats in the water are dangerous. Swiming in the sea is dangerous. we all already know that.
What's changed?
That is a terribly sad, tragic and unfortunate accident.
I wonder though, has there been a sudden increase in deaths/injury off the beaches recently.
In the decades that outboards and boats have been plying the thousands of beaches around the world since the 50's, why is it only now that people are starting to become voiciferous about "protecting swimmers and banning anything that moves with a few hudred yards of them"
Have we become more irresponsible? Are there thousands more boats dashing through swimmers? Are there thousands more swimmers off the beaches?
Or is this a case of a country becomming ever more frightened of litigation, where no one has any responsibility for their own actions, (sometimes stupid). and the easiest solution is a blame culture?
Should we immediately call for a ban on boats comming within site of beaches for fear of someone beng injured or killed, because they are a easy target.
Boats haven't suddenly become more dangerous near beaches, they alway have been. So why has public opinion changed?
Then we read that some radical muslim fundamentalist who lives here and promotes mass murder can't be prosecuted because of his human rights.....Arrrgghh! I don't hear the population calling on a ban of all muslims do you? Sorry thread drift, but I'm sure you see my point.
Boats in the water are dangerous. Swiming in the sea is dangerous. we all already know that.
What's changed?
Vagabond
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Re: Terrible
I would guess litigation and maybe the fact that there are more boats around now.
While we are at it can we ban horses as well.
I would guess litigation and maybe the fact that there are more boats around now.
While we are at it can we ban horses as well.
Lakesailor
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Just as a thought. What can the NT Warden actually do about you putting your tender on the beach? If the rules allow sub-20 horse motors and there isn't a particular byelaw about garish mooring ropes, is this all just her own opinion? Can she arrest you, or confiscate your boat, or report you for prosecution?
I realise that she had the advantage over you, but perhaps a call to the NT and a definitive answer may put you in a better position on the next occasion.
I realise that she had the advantage over you, but perhaps a call to the NT and a definitive answer may put you in a better position on the next occasion.
Wiggo
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That's terrible news, and a real tragedy.
As far as rowing in is concerned, the National Trust warden was very explicit: no boats with motors of any sort allowed on the beach, irrespective of how they arrived there. She went on to say that they 'tended to turn a blind eye' to small boats and tenders, but on this occasion there had been a complaint. Interestingly, of course, the complaint would still have been made (presumably) if we had used an anchor on a clinker built rowing boat.
As far as rowing in is concerned, the National Trust warden was very explicit: no boats with motors of any sort allowed on the beach, irrespective of how they arrived there. She went on to say that they 'tended to turn a blind eye' to small boats and tenders, but on this occasion there had been a complaint. Interestingly, of course, the complaint would still have been made (presumably) if we had used an anchor on a clinker built rowing boat.
Andrew_Fanner
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Ask for official ID and a copy of the rules, might give them cause to think. After all, the ruls must be somewhere outside the warden's head, mustn't they?
Wiggo
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I just sent the following email to studlandbeach@nationaltrust.org.uk:
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Dear Sir,
We anchored just north of the Milkmaid Bank off Studland beach with friends in two motor boats last weekend, and took the tenders over to the beach. One of the tenders was run up just beyond the tideline (on a falling tide), the other being slightly heavier, was left just in the surf with a small folding anchor deployed on a highly visible (purple/fluorescent yellow) line a few feet up the beach.
Within minutes of arriving, we were approached by a warden asking if the tenders were ours. Having confirmed this, we were asked to remove them from the beach, as the warden had received a complaint from a member of the public that they had almost tripped over the anchor line.
We were then informed that in fact, no motor driven vessels were allowed on the beach at all, but that small tenders 'had been tolerated'. We asked how we were supposed to secure a tender without the use of an anchor, but were told that the warden was no expert on boats, and that it was up to us how we managed this apparently impossible feat.
Having used Studland beach for the last 15 years or so, I am unaware of there being any such restriction: in fact your own website advertises the slipway, which I have used in the past, implying that power driven boats are allowed on the beach. Equally confusingly, however, it states that no powered craft over 20 hp are permitted.
Could please clarify the situation for me, specifically:
In what area are craft over 20 hp allowed?
Is it legal to launch a craft over 20hp from the National Trust slipway?
If so, how can it cross the beach, as the slipway ends short of the sea?
Over what area are powered craft forbidden from the beach, and why and how does this differ from craft below the arbitrary 20hp limit?
Over what area does the National Trust control the beach?
Does this area extend beyond the extent of MHWS (i.e. the foreshore), or is this considered common or Crown Estate land?
Would the same complaint have been levelled had we arrived by rowing boat, but still deployed an anchor?
Are there any notices displayed on the beach, visible from the seaward side (or indeed the landward side), advising that no powered craft are allowed?
Incidentally, while I appreciate the potential dangers of operating propeller driven craft in areas where swimmers are present, the craft in question is powered by a waterjet, and therefore has no external moving parts.
Yours
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I'll let you know the response...
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Dear Sir,
We anchored just north of the Milkmaid Bank off Studland beach with friends in two motor boats last weekend, and took the tenders over to the beach. One of the tenders was run up just beyond the tideline (on a falling tide), the other being slightly heavier, was left just in the surf with a small folding anchor deployed on a highly visible (purple/fluorescent yellow) line a few feet up the beach.
Within minutes of arriving, we were approached by a warden asking if the tenders were ours. Having confirmed this, we were asked to remove them from the beach, as the warden had received a complaint from a member of the public that they had almost tripped over the anchor line.
We were then informed that in fact, no motor driven vessels were allowed on the beach at all, but that small tenders 'had been tolerated'. We asked how we were supposed to secure a tender without the use of an anchor, but were told that the warden was no expert on boats, and that it was up to us how we managed this apparently impossible feat.
Having used Studland beach for the last 15 years or so, I am unaware of there being any such restriction: in fact your own website advertises the slipway, which I have used in the past, implying that power driven boats are allowed on the beach. Equally confusingly, however, it states that no powered craft over 20 hp are permitted.
Could please clarify the situation for me, specifically:
In what area are craft over 20 hp allowed?
Is it legal to launch a craft over 20hp from the National Trust slipway?
If so, how can it cross the beach, as the slipway ends short of the sea?
Over what area are powered craft forbidden from the beach, and why and how does this differ from craft below the arbitrary 20hp limit?
Over what area does the National Trust control the beach?
Does this area extend beyond the extent of MHWS (i.e. the foreshore), or is this considered common or Crown Estate land?
Would the same complaint have been levelled had we arrived by rowing boat, but still deployed an anchor?
Are there any notices displayed on the beach, visible from the seaward side (or indeed the landward side), advising that no powered craft are allowed?
Incidentally, while I appreciate the potential dangers of operating propeller driven craft in areas where swimmers are present, the craft in question is powered by a waterjet, and therefore has no external moving parts.
Yours
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I'll let you know the response...
DERF
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Way to go Wiggo!
mjf
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Bog Off!
Answers on a postcard to:
i hope you get a reply which will be more than I did after I wrote to the Haven in poole and complained about the lack of loo roll and disgusting conditions of the showers etc a couple of w/e ago.
Bon Chance!
Answers on a postcard to:
i hope you get a reply which will be more than I did after I wrote to the Haven in poole and complained about the lack of loo roll and disgusting conditions of the showers etc a couple of w/e ago.
Bon Chance!
Wiggo
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Re: Bog Off!
I know the feeling well. I complained to Hythe about the filth and rubbish everywhere, but they just told me it was up to me to keep the kids' cabin tidy. Bloody country's going to the dogs...
I know the feeling well. I complained to Hythe about the filth and rubbish everywhere, but they just told me it was up to me to keep the kids' cabin tidy. Bloody country's going to the dogs...
Rustyknight
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Re: Bog Off!
A few weeks ago we spent a night there, and before we went ashore proper the manager apologised for the state of the facilities!
Apparently the marina rent them from the owners of the Dolphin buildings...... but have plans to build a new toilet/shower block on the pontoons either this year or next.
A few weeks ago we spent a night there, and before we went ashore proper the manager apologised for the state of the facilities!
Apparently the marina rent them from the owners of the Dolphin buildings...... but have plans to build a new toilet/shower block on the pontoons either this year or next.
studgies
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Re: Bog Off!
Glad I am not alone there, I chose to have my shower onboard!
Glad I am not alone there, I chose to have my shower onboard!
mjf
Well-Known Member
Poole - ex Dolphin Quay
Yes me too! (when my lot came back on board and reported the grim state of things ashore)
The real issue now is not replying to correspondence! They charge for a service that is less than satisfactory and then cannot be fagged to 1. do anything about it and 2. Ignore the paying customer.
I know I can vote with my propellors next time.
Yes me too! (when my lot came back on board and reported the grim state of things ashore)
The real issue now is not replying to correspondence! They charge for a service that is less than satisfactory and then cannot be fagged to 1. do anything about it and 2. Ignore the paying customer.
I know I can vote with my propellors next time.
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Re: Terrible
I dunno whether there has been an increase in such accidents or not but the reporting would indicate that there has been. In some Med areas the authorities lay yellow buoys about 200m or so from the beach in the summer and you are prohibited from anchoring or motoring within the buoyed area. Sometimes there is a buoyed channel for powered boats to access the beach. This seems an eminently sensible arrangement to me and much better than the confusion that seems to rein on most UK beaches
I dunno whether there has been an increase in such accidents or not but the reporting would indicate that there has been. In some Med areas the authorities lay yellow buoys about 200m or so from the beach in the summer and you are prohibited from anchoring or motoring within the buoyed area. Sometimes there is a buoyed channel for powered boats to access the beach. This seems an eminently sensible arrangement to me and much better than the confusion that seems to rein on most UK beaches
Wiggo
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Re: Terrible
Weymouth has the same arrangement, with a 'ski boat approach lane' and no unguarded props within a large area outside of the lane. Studland has a line of yellow buoys 250-300m out that mark a 6 or 8 knot speed limit.
Weymouth has the same arrangement, with a 'ski boat approach lane' and no unguarded props within a large area outside of the lane. Studland has a line of yellow buoys 250-300m out that mark a 6 or 8 knot speed limit.
Brian_B
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As a raggie I find there's two problem areas.
The powerboat may be half a mile away (long gone) before his wash hits.
I'm sure the skipper of a craft travelling at 20kts plus has his hands full without worrying about what's happening behind.
And I think some Mobos just don't understand the effect this has.
Take a look behind and see the sailboats bouncing about making abrupt course changes climb safely over the wash.
Overtaking at close quarters, especially while entering or leaving port.
If there's crew working a sailboat to sort out fenders, lines, sails this can be positively dangerous as they bounce over the wash with little sea room.
It always amazes me how impatient some people can be out on the water.
Don't get me wrong. There's very few sights more exhilarating than a large powerboat at full throttle.
I love the power, the noise, the extravagance.
Just slow down a little when you get close and we'll give you a wave.
The powerboat may be half a mile away (long gone) before his wash hits.
I'm sure the skipper of a craft travelling at 20kts plus has his hands full without worrying about what's happening behind.
And I think some Mobos just don't understand the effect this has.
Take a look behind and see the sailboats bouncing about making abrupt course changes climb safely over the wash.
Overtaking at close quarters, especially while entering or leaving port.
If there's crew working a sailboat to sort out fenders, lines, sails this can be positively dangerous as they bounce over the wash with little sea room.
It always amazes me how impatient some people can be out on the water.
Don't get me wrong. There's very few sights more exhilarating than a large powerboat at full throttle.
I love the power, the noise, the extravagance.
Just slow down a little when you get close and we'll give you a wave.