Should I, Shouldn't I ?

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: in all seriousness

it does sound like the thing

if one thinks about it
happy has not really been challenged byb having to drive and manouevre the boat and has had to seek solace in the chandlery.

A saling course would teach hima whole new set of skills to learn.

right lets auction his boat and get him a sail boat

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[tcm]

Re: Should I, Shouldn\'t I ?

Of course, it's your choice.

But another seven feet - it's still a squeezy campboat/dayboat - without the advantages of being very much bigger so you could stay on it for a week or travel miles. So, either buy something significantly different/bigger or stick with what you have for the moment. Being boatless over summer is a bit daft cos no holidays. I mean - you have the moring in chatham and prospect of bimbling and camping around the medway all summer- what wd be different about the 28 footer? Same thing really. Cept as you say, no trailering. Or, a lot less.





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[Renegade_Master]

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What you need now is somewhere to store all your stuff with ease and still have two cabins with en suite head & shower, I know the very thing, my Crown 37/forums/images/icons/smile.gif may not be fast but easy to handle very safe and save on all those
B & B's. Oh and you could take oldgit along as youd have plenty of room. Autopilot, fishfinder, new heating, tempting heh

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[hagrid]

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H1,

Enjoy what you have and then you will work out what you want and where you want to keep it over the season.. You can always get a good price during the winter months when the brokers are biting your hands off. Seven is our first boat and like you am thinking of things I would liek to change, but the moral of this story is build you wish list over the summer, get experience and then you will know what you want it may be a flybridge on the hamble(sorry all) it way well be 15m, somewhere else... Until you and the gang build the list you wont know...

Why do you want to buy new? your going to loose money? Spend the summer looking a good used boats then decide. Do a deal at the boatshow. have fun relax, take boat and travel...





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[Tiger Rag]

Re: Should I, Shouldn\'t I ?

This may come a as a surprise to some seeing as I now earn my living as a broker, but we are constantly advising clients to live with whatever yacht they have, especially if it is their first, and not to rush into major re-fits or trading up until they have had time to learn more about their own personal goals and the boat itself. You seem to be in the enviable position of not being overly concerned as to the financial implications and your comment rearging the new yacht's depreciation is very relevant. I feel the most telling comment (sorry can't remember who said it) is that you do not want to be without a boat for the next 3-4 months right at the begining of the season. One final comment the broker who sold you the first boat made a nice commission on that, has made a fair amount more supplying and fitting extras and if he plays his cards right stands to make another chunk on the next one as well. I would say without fear of contradiction you should be able to negotiate the same price, i.e. what he is offering you now, when and if you decide to trade in at the end of the summer so don't be forced into making a decision now by his salesman talk.

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[paulineb]

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Ooh poacher turned gamekeeper - nice one Russell

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[Tiger Rag]

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slowly slowly, catchy monkey!

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[duncan]

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don't forget Mr Max, probably get the mooring in Poole with it paid for 2003, and it's got so much space to store all your bits! Some parts like O/Drive are still under a reasonable waranty as well. Alternatively I am sure that someone can arrange an MDL berth for you at Ocean Village or Mercury - hell the chandlers have already started a bidding war to suplement your mooring fees! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
Yes you will have to sell your Glastron but find out how much the dealer will give you for it given the few hours on it etc - that way you should end up paying the depreciation on the smaller purchase not the larger!

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[chriscallender]

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Happy1, out of interest, does this offer of your money back only stand if you buy the new boat from the same dealer? In other words, is he financing it using the commission from the new sale?

If it helps, I'll tell you my own (raggie) experiences. They may or may not be relevant because the amounts of money involved are all a lot less than your case but anyway here goes.

I used to sail when I was a child living in Scotland, and on the whole found it boring and wet and gave up as soon as I was given a choice in the matter. A couple of decades later I found myself on some yachts (and powerboats) again and realised what I'd been missing. Couple of training couses were done here and there but thats not too important for the discussion. Eventually I decided I wanted a sailey boat of my own. Cost was a big issue for me at that time, and my budget was about 3k. Decided I wanted a trailer sailer so that I could try cruising grounds all over the country and I ended up getting a lifting keel boat. Like you I went through a chandleritis stage, and bought all manner of new sails, radios, GPS gizmos and whatever. First thing I came to dislike about the trailer sailer was the launching - it was a real pain in the butt to shift on and off the trailer, and so I moved the boat onto a mud berth in Portsmouth harbour for a fairly minimal cost.

After that I had a whale of a time with the boat, sailed round the Isle of Wight and all over the Solent and clocked up about 2000 miles over 2 or 3 years. I had my fair share of "practical learning experiences" but no worse than the odd scuff here and on a 3k boat who cares, just get some filler and some sandpaper if even that is needed. The trailer became a bit of a rusty wreck (new axle put it straight when I sold the boat but more of that later).

However, as time went on, there were also things I started to dislike about the boat. For one, my horizons were broadening, I would have loved to go on more extended cruises across the channel but never would have trusted such a small light boat. And then there was the question of comfort. Being rather tall, the sitting headroom was becoming a serious issue and the windows leaked, so how can I put this, the inside of the boat was rather damp and smelly. In addition, it was almost flat bottomed and the cabin sole was the bilge, so it was a real pain to keep the inside of the cabin dry. Eventually it became a not very appealing way to spend time, and when I started sailing the boat less and less, I knew the time had come to get something bigger.

Last year I managed to sell some stock options (just in time, before their value plummeted to zero!). So I now had the princely sum of £15k to spend on a new (to me) boat. I ended up getting a Seal 28 6 berth sailing boat, and again I've had loads of fun with that - including cruising to Alderney/Guernsey. Have been much more resistant to excesses of spending on chandelry second time round but again its been a blast. And a big step up from the trailer sailer - 5 tonnes instead of 1, standing headroom, it handles a force 6 without any bother at all, and so on.

However, one point I've thought before is that I'd have been scared witless with the handling of the bigger boat (which lets face it isn't huge by modern standards) and without all of the practical experience I'd gained in the trailer sailer I'd have had a very steep learning curve to face.

Now there is a little thought somewhere in my mind now which sometimes says "the Seal 28 isn't exactly the ideal boat for offshore cruising". With a full time job this isn't much of an issue just now, but who knows, maybe one day I'll decide that the time has come to move on from my current boat. Not for a few years though, its fitting the bill perfectly just now!


So I guess the moral is that when the time is right to sell you'll just know that it has come - for me it was when the lack of capabilities and comfort started taking away the pleasure from what I was doing. Only you know if you have reached that stage yet. But if you're still enjoying the boat you have, I'd say use it to learn everything you can and keep it for a couple of seasons. At least by then you'll have a much better idea of what you really want.

Finally remember the old (but fairly valid) rule that the amount of use a boat gets is inversely proportional to its size! Just look at how often the larger boats typically leave your marina. Of course like all good rules this has its exceptions.

Good luck,

Chris.

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[BarryH]

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Your 'avin' a larf! It ain't even run in yet!

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[duncan]

Re: Should I, Shouldn\'t I ?

Ah but Happy's aspirations are run in - that's what counts

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[Happy1]

Result

I have taken all of the advice and decided to keep the present boat. The dealer was of the same opinion, but the 100% cash back would only last for the next 2 weeks against a GS279 new boat, but I would be boatless for 3mths. They are happy to take it back in September and I would lose about 2K, so that's not too bad, they did say I should not add ANYMORE accessories as they had never seen so much on a boat, so you were all right /forums/images/icons/wink.gif I have spent 38k so far, I think as the dealer says just get out there and enjoy it.

I will make this my final decison, even though I cancelled the Camper Canvas and not having it has slightly changed what I thought we would be getting, they are giving me my £100 deposit back which is nice. I guess you could have a few nights in a B&B for £660. I can use that money towards the new one later in the year.

Thanks for all the advice and I hope to be a regular in the Solent getting experience.

Cheers,

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[duncan]

Re: Result

some great b&b's around Poole and Swanage but you need to book well in advance.
By July forget it though - but you will have the tent for those balmy summer nights anyhow

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[Solitaire]

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Phew - perhaps your learning curve is flattening out! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[BarryH]

Re: Result

No, its just the lull before the storm!

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[Solitaire]

Re: Result

Not another low building up /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[Happy1]

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TENT? /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif Oh! I've just been reading up on the Sealine S34 nice bit of kit /forums/images/icons/wink.gif, but one of the car's would have to go, anyone want a very very low mileage Porsche Boxter? (with all the extra's believe or not /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif)

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[BrendanS]

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S?

Which options?

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[Happy1]

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It is silver with navy blue full leather and navy blue hood, Bigger exhaust, bigger wheels, full climate control & aircon, upgraded CD, upgraded amplifier and speakers, coloured Porsche log wheel hubs, center consol and rear roll bars painted in metallic silver at build (look great against the blue leather) Silver dials, SS plates with the boxter name on door step (so you know which car your getting in /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif) Ruffled leather seats, Special headlight bulbs (blueish) and other stuff i can't remember. It is immaculate unmarked and has less than 10k on the clock, garaged and covered I have owned it from new. Full Porsche Service history. Not used a lot as it only has two seats, bought by mistake.

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[BrendanS]

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Not S then?

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