xyachtdave
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Sorry, I thought that was obvious enough not to need one, but for the more serious among us........
shore power socket/plug
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Sorry, I thought that was obvious enough not to need one, but for the more serious among us........
little_roundtop
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Insurance?
I'd be more worried about my insurance company's attitude than a surveyors. If somebody gets electrocuted on or near your boat and your electrical installation is not "up to code" then you might give your insurance company an excuse not to pay. That would leave you in the deep brown smelly stuff.
I'd be more worried about my insurance company's attitude than a surveyors. If somebody gets electrocuted on or near your boat and your electrical installation is not "up to code" then you might give your insurance company an excuse not to pay. That would leave you in the deep brown smelly stuff.
ithet
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Any makers name, part number?
ean_p
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try looking for 'appliance inlets'..........the below are from the legrand catalogue and only do panel ones in 62a 3ph though I'm sure someone will do 16a 2ph too.......
ithet
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Not a waterproof (when not connected) inlet. And no, no one does do them.
viago
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well, the good news is that my extension lead fits like a glove. my electrician was very impressed with the snug and secure fit of the cap and would be more than happy to fit it inside the cockpit locker with the lead sitting nicely in one of the drainage channels allowing the cover to close completely.
thanks for all your help and advice.
now, do i dare broach the thorny matter of the consumer unit? lol i can already hear the hackles rising!
thanks for all your help and advice.
now, do i dare broach the thorny matter of the consumer unit? lol i can already hear the hackles rising!
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sailorman
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get a 2 way "garage" type b n q or local electrical wholesale or even screwfix
VicS
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For a simple installation a Garage consumer unit may be adequate. Usually 1 x 6amp and 1 X 16amp mcbs and of course an RCD. Screwfix offer a water proof ( IP67??) garage consumer unit at an attractive price ( £30 ish IIRC)
There is a requirement ( ISO13297) for an isolator to be within a certain distance of the incoming connection. If the consumer unit can be fitted within that distance (or the cables run in conduit ??) no problem but otherwise you may have to fit an additional DP isolator
If the garage consumer unit is not adequate then you may have difficulty finding something suitable at " domestic prices".
Look at http://www.power-store.com/?id=222 for a couple of "marine" ones at marine prices.
ithet
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As VicS says garage unit is good, Toolstation is another source. Often people use the 16A mcb for sockets and the 6A for battery charger. Did you have any id's on your "bazzar" plug?
viago
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i saw screwfix (thanks vics) has a domestic garage one rated at ip55 for£34(plenty good enough inside) would prefer less say £10
id from bazaar plug: View attachment 16666
viago
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whats with the battery charger thing? is it a permanently wired one from halfords or a marine special? whats the alternator for? ive wired in a solar panel 20watt which has done the job nicely.
VicS
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The 6amp circuit would make a good supply for a permanently wired in charger
Alternator only works if the engine is running.
solar panel only works if the sun is shining
Battery charger always works when the shorepower is plugged in .... and if you plug a generator in to the shorepower socket.
lustyd
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The screwfix unit is fine but should have an RCBO instead of the main RCD that comes standard. Take a look here for what I did when I fitted mine (I never fitted the RCBO but realise I should have).
There's also a lengthy discussion at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276070
There's also a lengthy discussion at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276070
VicS
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There is no requirement in the 2000 version of ISO 13297 for an RCBO. (Maybe there will be in the next edition which is I believe on its way)
If one is fitted in place of the RCD be sure it is a double pole one ... single pole ones are I believe more readily available and are what may now be fitted in domestic consumer units in place of (some of)the MCBs
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viago
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The 6amp circuit would make a good supply for a permanently wired in charger
Alternator only works if the engine is running.
solar panel only works if the sun is shining
Battery charger always works when the shorepower is plugged in .... and if you plug a generator in to the shorepower socket.
yep, i know that.
unless you are a "live aboard" then solar and alternator is enough. i have a marine dual battery charger but i feel no pressing desire to install it.
as a day sailor, how much power am i ever going to use? and on a deep water mooring, how do i plug in?
my interest in a shore supply is popping into a marina to do some onboard repairs or upgrades.
i dont think it fair to continue this discussion under the "shore supply thread, but if you guys would ike to post a thread on the subject of "shore supply battery charging" i would be more than willing to throw in my 2 penny worth.
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lustyd
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Hmmm now who was it on that other thread that argued the case for an RCBO and eventually convinced me that my installation was not good enough...
VicS
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Hmmm now who was it on that other thread that argued the case for an RCBO and eventually convinced me that my installation was not good enough...
Was nae me.
I thought it was you arguing the need for a RCBO but maybe someone else claimed it was necessary.
There was some confusion IIRC about the nature of, and need for, a trip-free circuit breaker in the incoming wiring between the inlet receptacle and the CU, but it's clear enough IMHO in iso 13297
I vaguely remember a definition being quoted and referred to as a requirement!
Your last post on that thread seemed to misinterpret the requirements of ISO 13297 and much of what I was trying to say.
I gave up. I did not reply or visit the thread again.
viago
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thanks, great pics. i am more confused than ever.
what purpose does inserting an rcbo have? i read that a rcbo is a combined rcd and mcb. so you have the rcd why not add the mcb in line?
if not, where in the circuit does the rcbo go?
does johnny foreigner not have a proper electricity supply?
VicS
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You dont need an RCBO. It is as you deduce an RCD and mcb combined
If you feel you must fit one then it goes in the CU in place of the RCD. but there no point!
If you do fit one make sure its a double pole one ... not one of the single pole ones now often fitted in domestic CUs
What you may have to fit is a "trip-free circuit breaker" in the incoming wiring between the inlet receptacle and the CU.
lustyd
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Well old vic said it was to provide double pole over current protection for the whole boat. New vic thinks differently so I guess just do what you feel