Ships papers

[Tranona]

But presumably you want to be able to say that the boat belongs to you? A Bill of Sale is just a receipt, and an SSR registration is not evidence of title, so the only way that you will be able to show that the boat belongs to you is to haul out the entire set of Bills of Sale. This may not matter in NW Europe at the moment, but Brexit could change all that, and it certainly matters outside Europe.

A Bill of Sale is NOT a receipt. It is the document recording the transfer of title. The Certificate of Registry is NOT the title. It is just what it says - a certificate confirming the registration of the title. To register the title you need the Bill of Sale which shows that clear title has been passed to you.

Th trail of title is Builders Certificate then Bill of Sale to first owner, then all subsequent Bills of Sale when title changes hands. The record at the registry just confirms that all changes in title have been registered.

For most people the only reason for having the boat registered is to comply with international law when sailing outside home waters, and particularly visiting foreign ports. The SSR fulfils this role.

 

[GHA]

For most people the only reason for having the boat registered is to comply with international law when sailing outside home waters, and particularly visiting foreign ports. The SSR fulfils this role.

Except it doesn't always fulfill that role.

The final say of what works is the guy in the office when you're checking in. I've had once, maybe twice comments about "Where's the home port on this ship registration document? ". Never been a real problem, just smile and explain that's how they do it back where I come from & I'll happily carry on cruising with SSR but what some international agreement might say can be irrelevant in the real world, you won't win that argument. Better to stay meek. :tranquillity:eaceful:

 

[duncan99210]

Except it doesn't always fulfill that role.

The final say of what works is the guy in the office when you're checking in. I've had once, maybe twice comments about "Where's the home port on this ship registration document? ". Never been a real problem, just smile and explain that's how they do it back where I come from & I'll happily carry on cruising with SSR but what some international agreement might say can be irrelevant in the real world, you won't win that argument. Better to stay meek. :tranquillity:eaceful:

We have a small sticker that we’ve affixed to the SSR saying “Home Port Falmouth”. Keeps everyone happy, as it stops us having to reposed verbally to the question of “Where’s your home port?” That said, the sticker is for simplicity and is obviously a sticker, just makes life a little easier. There’s many folks we know who’ve cruised round the world on SSR with no problems whatsoever.

 

[GHA]

We have a small sticker that we’ve affixed to the SSR saying “Home Port Falmouth”. Keeps everyone happy, as it stops us having to reposed verbally to the question of “Where’s your home port?” That said, the sticker is for simplicity and is obviously a sticker, just makes life a little easier. There’s many folks we know who’ve cruised round the world on SSR with no problems whatsoever.

Good idea :encouragement:

I've a laminated printout with all the boat details as well with home port on it.

Helps to mention the cricket if they happened to win the day before as well. Whatever keeps them happy

 

[capnsensible]

Steer clear of India today, but you will be OK in Nepal.

 

[Tranona]

Except it doesn't always fulfill that role.

The final say of what works is the guy in the office when you're checking in. I've had once, maybe twice comments about "Where's the home port on this ship registration document? ". Never been a real problem, just smile and explain that's how they do it back where I come from & I'll happily carry on cruising with SSR but what some international agreement might say can be irrelevant in the real world, you won't win that argument. Better to stay meek. :tranquillity:eaceful:

You are quite right in a way as it was never intended for world wide use, Only for UK based boats for occasional visits abroad (de facto Europe and particularly France). The official advice for world travellers is still to have Part 1 registration.

 

[GHA]

. The official advice for world travellers is still to have Part 1 registration.

Again it's wise to listen to the people out there doing it as to what actually works, the officials don't go cruising

 

[Kukri]

A Bill of Sale is NOT a receipt. It is the document recording the transfer of title. The Certificate of Registry is NOT the title. It is just what it says - a certificate confirming the registration of the title. To register the title you need the Bill of Sale which shows that clear title has been passed to you.

Th trail of title is Builders Certificate then Bill of Sale to first owner, then all subsequent Bills of Sale when title changes hands. The record at the registry just confirms that all changes in title have been registered.

For most people the only reason for having the boat registered is to comply with international law when sailing outside home waters, and particularly visiting foreign ports. The SSR fulfils this role.

Thank you for teaching me my day job. I’ve only been operating merchant ships and building selling and buying them for forty-odd years, under the illusion that the evidence of title is the Register Book, which is why one gets a Transcript, but we can always learn something new.

Your news will come as quite a surprise to the banks who offer ship finance, and if you want to try it in third world ports, be my guest.

 

[Tranona]

Thank you for teaching me my day job. I’ve only been operating merchant ships and building selling and buying them for forty-odd years, under the illusion that the evidence of title is the Register Book, which is why one gets a Transcript, but we can always learn something new.

Your news will come as quite a surprise to the banks who offer ship finance, and if you want to try it in third world ports, be my guest.

You are right about the "evidence of title" bit - but the key word is "evidence". The entry in the register does not appear out of nowhere, but is based on another document - either the Builders Certificate for a new vessel or the Bill of Sale from a transfer. You cannot register a change in title without a Bill of Sale.

When you sell a vessel you execute a Bill of Sale to the new owner which he then uses to register his title. It does not need to mention money so is not a receipt as you suggest.

So, I am not teaching you your job, just clarifying the status of documents.

 

[Kukri]

https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/729991/MSF_4705_Bill_of_Sale_rev_02-14.pdf

 

[Tranona]

https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/729991/MSF_4705_Bill_of_Sale_rev_02-14.pdf

i know about that, having signed both as seller and buyer.

The word "receipt" is used in its everyday sense of there being two parties - a giver and receiver.

That does not change the fact that this is the document that transfers the title and the registration certificate registers the document.

Think about it a bit more. Most leisure boats are not on the register but the owners have legal title, and their legal title is the Bill of Sale. It does not have to be registered to make it legal.

The main purpose of the register is to record all claims to the title or against it and it is for this that you would use it in buying as the transcript will show if there are any registered claims. However for private boats even this is of limited use as it is not compulsory to register any claims (unlike commercial ships), nor indeed to register any change in title. In this case the registered title will be different from the legal title and any potential buyer will need to establish which is correct.