Shipping ships

[Cascader]

Has anyone had experience of shipping a yacht as deck cargo from the USA to UK? Can you recommend a shipping line preferably serving the North West of England and do you have any ideas of the costs on a 40 footer?

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[BrendanS]

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[Deep_6]

Try this site for ACL which run from Liverpool to the USA - they take Roll On Roll Off cargo as well.
http://www.aclcargo.com/index2.htm

Click on Get A Rate button from here.

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[qsiv]

I'm just waiting for a quote from San Diego to Southampton, but the boat will be in pieces (mast not stepped, and keel and rudders not in place). I suspect this will actually cost more as the mast tube is liklely to make the package bigger! The indication price at stage is $6,000 but this should be turned into a contractual quote in the next 10 days or so.

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[Mirelle]

I\'ve just written an article....

....on shipping yachts, but not from the point of view of the customer. My piece, in a trade mag, is written to help the shipping line avoid getting sued.

The track record of damage to yachts shipped as deck cargo is frankly bad, and the recommendation of many ship masters and cargo surveyors is that the best way is to ship by ro-ro, as Deep6 suggests.

Yachts carried as deck cargo aboard container ships are far more likely to suffer damage - there are a string of reasons for this.

Remember also that shipping lines are not responsible for deck cargo. My advice is to ship aboard a ro-ro even if it costs a little more.

I have no axe to grind, here. This is simply my considered opinion, on the basis of a few enquiries.

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[qsiv]

Re: I\'ve just written an article....

Thats useful knowledge .. are there likely to many RoRo operating from So Cal to UK? I was led to believe that containers were the most likely.

We are checking to see if we can get the boat in a container by inserting diagonally - if not It will be on a 40' cradle, and shring wrapped. Hopefully as the keel wont be in place, nor rig stepped the chances will be better, as will shipping around May time.

Anyone got any experience on inward handling agents? Peters & May have been suggested as the pivk of the bunch for Southampton? I will only be after a temporary import as the boat will be moved out of EU waters within three months (out of the 18 allowed).

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[tcm]

Re: Ro-ro ?

I know this means "roll on roll off" but erm not sure much further thasn that, yachtwise. Do you mean that the specialists like sevenstar (?) and/or those ships that "sink" and allow yachts to position themselves and then pump out the water - are better? I presume you mean that container ships don't habitually carry yachts or boat, yes?

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[Mirelle]

Re: Ro-ro ?

Correct. Insofar as there is a problem, it seems to recur when yachts are carried as deck cargo in cradles aboard container ships.

There are a limited number of deepsea ro-ro operators; ACL on the Atlantic and Wilhelmsen on the Europe/Far East trade are two, both of whom carry many yachts.

I am certainly not going to "knock" any of the established specialists in yacht transport, (beyond a quiet muttering that none of the ones I contacted when writing my article had the courtesy to reply!)

Semi-submersibles are undountedly the way to go for large yachts, and sometimes smaller ones too, if they are putting together a shipment and have space available.

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[qsiv]

Re: I\'ve just written an article....

The builder has just suggested shipping the keel bulb early - and flying the hull over - that will have to be silly money - even if the hull only weighs a bit over a ton!

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[Mirelle]

Re: I\'ve just written an article....

Yes, that will be screamingly silly money.

Keeping the keel off is a good idea, though.

Part of the problem is that, on a container ship, the boat will be put on top of a stack, on a cradle that is designed to twist lock onto the container beneath it (i.e., 40ft x 8ft wide - much narrower than the boat. Since the boat is sitting on top of the container stack it will be subject to the constantly reversing "g" loadings as the ship comes to the end of her roll, and rolls back. You can see from this that getting the boat low on a cradle, rather than raised by the depth of the keel, is definitely going to be good.



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[Deep_6]

Re: Ro-ro ?

I would also try car carrier lines, such as Wilhelmsen, Hough Ugland and numerous Japanese Lines, they will carry other than cars if space allows etc.

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