shipmate senior or skipper 17

the size does seem to be expanding :)
looked at a sandpiper the other day, dissapointing, as the price seems to be all about the trailer, which is admittedly almost new and in great condition. Could be a nice wee boat, but needs a bit of cleaning and painting. Hasn't moved for 2 years, is that a problem? Actually, might be a good question for a thread.
 
ValleyForge said:
+ another 1 Seajet for the Hunter 19. When doing the RYA/DTI stuff in the 70's a chap on the course had one which he regularly took across to the IOM in all weathers. Only remember because he was a very big bloke & wondered how he ever got inside the thing, really a fast dayboat with a lid. Chuckle at the thought whenever I see one. Legs on a small fin keeler should be straight forward enough on a drying berth. Its bigger brother the Achilles 24 also a nice boat (sounds like a classic boat topic now) again by Oliver Lee but a bit bigger committment.
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Valley Forge, well the Achilles 24 was part designed by Oliver Lee, part by Chris Butler I believe - not sure who did what but it's probably in the PBO article Peter Poland did recently about Oliver Lee.

I'd say the real big sister of the Hunter 19 is the Hunter 701; the Anderson 22 is a development of that.

Steve Yates, if interested you can get Hunter 19's & maybe Europa's for not that much money considering how good they are, and you may well find a Hunter 701 for much the same price, they seem a little bit forgotten now; the 701 comes with a fin or hydraulic lift keel.

A search of the boat for sale ad's should find a H19, Europa, 701 or two I'd have thought, they're the fast seaworthy boats you desire.

The Anderson 22's are all lift keelers using a simple mechanical winch - but the only A22 I know of for sale at the moment, while viable and I'd love to see a good boat fixed up, requires a great deal of work so doesn't suit your criteria.
 
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Thanks seajet, I have put a couple on my list, but they are all down south, and I'm off to the alps for two weeks after the weekend, so running out of viewing time at the moment. I'll carry on when I come back. I did really like the sound of a europ, and I'll check out the 701, had never heard of it.
 
Steve,

to imagine a 701, look at the A22 in my website below.

The 701 is a foot longer, looks very similar, inc windows so even I have to look twice.

The 701 has a narrower transom, can't have a forehatch because of a moulded ridge on the foredeck, no outboard well so engine has to go on transom ( or may be an ancient dodgy inboard ) and the rig is masthead.

I suspect any boat you come across is going to need work, it's a matter of how much and what sort of boat you get at the end of it.

The 701 enjoyed a lot of racing in its day, inc quite rough stuff, as did the 19 / Europa's and Andersons.
 
Our first boat was a Shipmate Senior which we berthed on the Trent initially and then for one fateful season at Blakeney in 1983. We came to grief at the quay when we caught broadside on to the tide and were swept on to th scorned of th et ransom of a tender moored to another boat. It pierced the hull side with little apparent effort. The topsides layup was disturbingly thin on what was then called Tomaret. She was expertly repaired, towed home and sold. 9 months later number one son appeared and put paid to boat ownership,in the UK for 18 years.

I'm sure I wouldn't sail one to the IoM.

Mark
 
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