Ship Happens 2

I commented on the original thread early on, Anyone giving good sensible advice back then was branded "A nay sayer" as if our experience & knowledge was worthless. I stopped following the project years ago.
I must say im surprised they have got as far as they have & take my hat off to them for their perseverance at least.
I am not convinced about the usage of short bits of wood & modern goops & epoxies though. The very nature of DD boats means rot has ample avenues to travel a long way & i dont see how they can escape this. But its the kind of project where the job has become its own show paid for by online content from you tube or wherever.
Im the same age as Jstar & unlike him didnt do an apprenticeship. Many of the guys in the WBTA didnt do one either.
I well remember the day the WBTA was formed, Some of the old boys argued that there should be differing grades of membership with Ordinary members & "Fellows" (Who had done a recognised apprenticeship) above them.
One lad got up who had just won the boatbuilders award for the finest boat at the show. He said "I havent done an apprenticeship & you are telling me that i cannot be as good as you?" That killed the two tier membership on the spot!
I do not believe that the trade is not training enough people far from it. Look at how many students went through the C&G route at Falmouth, IBTC, Lyme regis et all, Now you have the Pioneer trust churning out boatbuilders.
Everyone wants to do the lovely traditional work but the brutal truth is it is limited to a few local areas around the country, You cant eat karma & it dont pay the bills. Most boatbuilders down here went off to work on the tools on building sites, Fitting kitchens etc Decent money!
Most of the few who kept going like me had a good woman behind them earning steady money in a public sector job!
 
A post that is very on the point. The trad boat market is limited and doing up old wooden boats take illogical amounts of time and money.
The web has enabled some projects be viable, but others make the pros cringe.
Ship Happens.. I looked a while back. They came over as a bunch of chancers with a boat that was way past fixing up, The DD hull rang big warning signs. What matters is the quality of the Utube vids, which keep the flow of loot.
Good luck to them, but I don't watch.
 
I didn't watch at all in the beginning, read people's opinions here and didn't bother. But somehow did watch the other week and immediately started to learn something. On our own estuary cruiser we have been trying to replace steamed timbers, gunnel to gunnel currently about 4m long, using laminted iroko about 5mm thick. We've had problems of the dry laminates, OK bending to the overall hull section but twisting off the hull due to the foward to aft hull curvature. Plus the thin laminated moving against each other with very slippery epoxy. Lesson one was their use of side clamps (Screwfix calls them "Trend Pocket Hole Face Clamp 3") which I'll use to stop sideways movement. Secondly they were doing in shorter sections (say 1.8m) and scarfing to the original. Made me think why don't we also do in shorter, much more controllable sections, and see if we can temporarily fixed, to set it's shape, remove and plane to the for and aft shape. Further, I noted their thicker - perhaps 10mm - laminates seemed far more robust. We had found, unlike steamed timbers, we couldn't immediately copper nail when clamped in position as the inner (as on the cabin side, and where you'd have the rove against) split, so we had to have temporary fixings to let the glue go off before we could nail. Perhaps their thicker laminates would allow immediate nailing. So for me worth watching as it's given me something to think about.

 
These have a go boat restorers are giving us real boat builders a hard time as they think it is easy to repair boats. The only problem is they are a lot of YouTubers think they can do what we did our apprenticeship after 5years and a life time of experience.
I like the advice Simon from jstarmarine gave us back on 22nd May 2022-


IMG_6980.jpeg
 
I didn't watch at all in the beginning, read people's opinions here and didn't bother. But somehow did watch the other week and immediately started to learn something. On our own estuary cruiser we have been trying to replace steamed timbers, gunnel to gunnel currently about 4m long, using laminted iroko about 5mm thick. We've had problems of the dry laminates, OK bending to the overall hull section but twisting off the hull due to the foward to aft hull curvature. Plus the thin laminated moving against each other with very slippery epoxy. Lesson one was their use of side clamps (Screwfix calls them "Trend Pocket Hole Face Clamp 3") which I'll use to stop sideways movement. Secondly they were doing in shorter sections (say 1.8m) and scarfing to the original. Made me think why don't we also do in shorter, much more controllable sections, and see if we can temporarily fixed, to set it's shape, remove and plane to the for and aft shape. Further, I noted their thicker - perhaps 10mm - laminates seemed far more robust. We had found, unlike steamed timbers, we couldn't immediately copper nail when clamped in position as the inner (as on the cabin side, and where you'd have the rove against) split, so we had to have temporary fixings to let the glue go off before we could nail. Perhaps their thicker laminates would allow immediate nailing. So for me worth watching as it's given me something to think about.

Always happy for you to reach out if you have any questions, good luck with your build!
 
Top