Chris_d
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Don't know what everybody else's excuse is but you tend to think about all these costs a bit more with two engines, everything costs double! So where as before I didn't really think about it now you question why a bit more.
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Don't know what everybody else's excuse is but you tend to think about all these costs a bit more with two engines, everything costs double! So where as before I didn't really think about it now you question why a bit more.
CX54WEK
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Is it really worth risking damage to the engine for a £10 oil filter? Two engines £20.
Peanuts in comparison to a replacement engine.
Im genuinely surprised at how many of you dont change your oil filters every time. It seems pointless to me changing the oil and then contaminating it straight away with the old stuff in the filter.
Chris_d
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I am fairly confident that if you change the filter every other change on your KAD32 you will never notice the difference, not in the next 10000 hours of running anyway, and the chances of needing an oil problem related replacement engine short of not putting any in it are zero.
CX54WEK
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Some day that quote will come back and bite you
And for the sake of £10 we will continue to change the filter thanks. We rely on our engine to stay reliable, we cant afford for it not to be hence the strict maintenance routine.
lynall
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Dont forget that when you drain the old oil, you do not get it all out, in fact quite a bit stays in various nooks and crannys, so when people say my oils dirty on their diesel engine just after its been serviced, just shake your head and walk away!
I change loads of oil, sad as it is, fire the engine up, wait whilst it settles, oh look its black already and thats with 36 litres of new stuff and i would guess maybe 1/2 to 1 litre still in the motor after draining.
Lynall
I change loads of oil, sad as it is, fire the engine up, wait whilst it settles, oh look its black already and thats with 36 litres of new stuff and i would guess maybe 1/2 to 1 litre still in the motor after draining.
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Chris_d
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Some day that quote will come back and bite you
And for the sake of £10 we will continue to change the filter thanks. We rely on our engine to stay reliable, we cant afford for it not to be hence the strict maintenance routine.
I'm not actually arguing about changing filters, I always change mine as it happens. But i think some people change oil too often, yes it can't hurt but actually is it cost effective and necessary. I used to change the oil on my car every 5000 miles as that seemed to be what the "experts" said I should do. But now I leave it to 10-15000 miles and still my cars sail up to 150000 miles odd with no issues. There is a lot of myths out there and a lot of bad "good" advice.
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dash300
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One can over maintain engines to their detriment as per the oft quoted military maintenance regimes where threads became worn out by constant stripping.
I have a thing about fresh new oil being the life blood of an engine and change it at the end of each season as that is where the corrosive acids etc. reside. It is in the filter that larger particles remain trapped depending on the micron size the filter is designed to collect. Leaving the filter for another oil change will not suddenly allow any more particles through.
My vintage of engines do not have a condition based service computer to tell me when to change oil or filter but I recon that changing the oil every season and the oil filter every second change is not going to kill them. They are not hysterical aluminium F1 screamers they are 33 year old lumps of iron who have never heard of a turbo and to date and are still going strong.
I have a thing about fresh new oil being the life blood of an engine and change it at the end of each season as that is where the corrosive acids etc. reside. It is in the filter that larger particles remain trapped depending on the micron size the filter is designed to collect. Leaving the filter for another oil change will not suddenly allow any more particles through.
My vintage of engines do not have a condition based service computer to tell me when to change oil or filter but I recon that changing the oil every season and the oil filter every second change is not going to kill them. They are not hysterical aluminium F1 screamers they are 33 year old lumps of iron who have never heard of a turbo and to date and are still going strong.
Latestarter1
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Complete nonsense, you cannot over maintain an engine by changing lube and filters more frequently than manufacturers spec.
Constant reference by posters to automotive duty cycles is pointless, the OP's engines are old IDI engines, when running duty cycle is at best light, in addition shut downs are frequent, which is an alien environment for a diesel engine and IDI engines more sensitive than more modern DI designs.
On the G-drive engines I am responsible for we take regular oil samples, even with just 5 hours running over a 6 month period rise in TAN #'s can be dramatic when engine is shut down for periods.
Highly unlikely that OP will run into trouble, simply that other posters are of the opinion that a small amount of extra expenditure is just better insurance.
CX54WEK
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Nope. Still dont get it.
Change the oil but not the filter. The filter is the cheap bit!!
Change the oil but not the filter. The filter is the cheap bit!!
CX54WEK
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mersey
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Do you know if there is any truth in this..?
http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/New%20to%20Diesel%20Engines.htm
Basically saying that the HT6.354, must have a pukka Perkins filter, as the equivalents don't have some pressure release valve..
"Oil filters - After we rebuilt the Perkins I installed Fram oil filters that were listed as equivalent to the Perkins Filters. After weeks of trying to figure out why a rebuilt diesel was smoking like a banshee I came across an old English Perkins mechanic who told me I was an IDIOT to put anything but a Perkins filter on it. Put one on …. smoke gone instantly ! In the meantime I had pulled all the injectors and turbo trying to solve the problem. While The Perkins unit had a pressure relief valve that the Fram did not. Many after market parts are just as good as OEM but you will not find me using after market oil filters again."
No Regrets
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Some day that quote will come back and bite you
And for the sake of £10 we will continue to change the filter thanks. We rely on our engine to stay reliable, we cant afford for it not to be hence the strict maintenance routine.
You clearly have no knowledge about how oil filters work!!
Also, at £10 you are not using genuine Volvo filters, which demeans your own post no end... :roll eyes:
I repeat (For the mentally and visually impaired) 'I am sticking to Volvo recommendations: 100 hours oil change, 200 hours filters'
i.e. Volvo filters are built to last twice as long as the oil. In case you are really really thick
prof pat pending
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And if you took the blinkers off and read the info you'd been given you'd uderstand that Volvo have nothing to do with the filters that carry their logo 
No Regrets
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Same goes for a lot of components on cars etc...
Thats not the point! A £10 filter may or may not be a 'good un' while a known and trusted source will be.
Thats not the point! A £10 filter may or may not be a 'good un' while a known and trusted source will be.
prof pat pending
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and if next week volvo start rebranding Acme filters
Latestarter1
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I have no clue regarding Fram, my words were 'use premium brand' Fram stuff not in that category as far as I am concerned. If you check technical spec of Perkins 2654407 and equivalent Fleetguard LF699 absolutely identical INCLUDING the drain back valve. Last time I was in the loop Mann & Hummel were OE suppliers of Perkins branded 2654407, however may have changed to Baldwin now simply due to politics.
Also not sure why we have switched gears to this geriatric horrorbox, take a look at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...-replacement&p=4387194&highlight=#post4387194
CX54WEK
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You clearly have no knowledge about how oil filters work!!
Also, at £10 you are not using genuine Volvo filters, which demeans your own post no end... :roll eyes:
I repeat (For the mentally and visually impaired) 'I am sticking to Volvo recommendations: 100 hours oil change, 200 hours filters'
i.e. Volvo filters are built to last twice as long as the oil. In case you are really really thick
I repeat for the mentally challenged. We follow the VP recommended servicing schedule to the book and for our engine it is oil AND FILTER change every 100 hours.
What engines are you running No Regrets because some of the older AD41's were even shorter intervals than our KAD!!
Yes they are genuine Volvo filters. Cross reference the number on your "marine volvo penta" filter and it will more than likely match an older volvo vehicle derived filter. Same with (most of) the belts. We use genuine Volvo parts on everything bar the air filter which has been cross referenced with a K&N Filter.
CX54WEK
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PS: Buy parts in bulk and they come even cheaper.
Just bought 10 Volvo oil filters for £45 + VAT.
Should keep us going for a few years.
Just bought 10 Volvo oil filters for £45 + VAT.
Should keep us going for a few years.
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