Shafts, P-Brackets & Cutlass Bearings = Absurd

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Who on earth would want to go back to a method of propulsion rendered obsolete by the invention of the Aquamatic in 1959 ?

Just in case anyone is thinking of going back to coal fires, smog, the workhouse, and consumption, a quick reminder of "What did outdrives do for us anyway"...

- 1.) The thrust is pointing in the right direction, rather than trying to stuff the bow, and it's adjustable
- 2.) Much lower drag at higher speeds than shafts and brackets
- 3.) Higher speed & better efficiency for any given engine size
- 4.) Shallow water capability (props attached to shafts have a nasty habit of punching holes in hulls when running aground).
- 5.) Shafts vibrate like hell if not balanced, wreck the gearbox if not aligned, dampers and anodes come loose if not checked, the ropecutters wear out in a couple of seasons, the glands and stuffing boxes always leak, but of course, there's no maintenance...

I agree that if you can only do 16 knots flat out, they aren't the best option... you need bigger engines, and outdrives.

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I have seen boats driven by shafts that have gone for years with minimal maintenance . The boaties I mix with tend (rightly or wrongly ) to have the view that outdrives are going to sting you with a high maintenance bill sooner rather than later if one is not buying new.
If a shaft is well set up from the outset its reliability is hard to beat even in a well used boat.IMHO

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Also 'what outdrives did for us'

1. Outdrives limited currently to about 300hp so not an option for anything much over 40'
2. Much higher maintenance costs than shaftdrive
3. Make it necessary to fit a bowthruster because bow is so light and drives so far aft
4. Compromise seakeeping 'coz engine weight so far aft

What shaftdrives did for us

1. Unlimited power capability
2. Low maintenance costs
3. Allow engines to be located near middle of boat for better seakeeping and easier low speed manouevering

Me, I'll take shaftdrives every time, luddite that I am

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I'm with the ludite shaft drives.

In 20 years and 7 boats, all shaft drive, I have replaced 1 shaft and prop', due to electrolitic corrosion (poor shaft brush connection). Only balance props when vibration indicates necessity - rarely.
The first 4 boats were all well over 20 years old when purchased. I submit that many outdrive units moderately maintained would be well on the way to disintegration from corrosion at that age, having cost a fortune in bellows etc, on the way.

Efficient, I agree, but can't think of much else good to say about them. Oh yes good for getting rope off, so long as the rams haven't siezed!!

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Fuuny that................

I've never seen a trawler, naval vessel, liner, container ship etc etc with anything but shafts. Have they all got it wrong.

I've had both, shafts every time for me, simpler, cheaper and much, much, much more reliable.

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Re: Fuuny that................

But aren't these all displacement vessels?
For a planing boat you are looking at fast ferries, fast pursuit boats (used to MTB) etc. They run either outboards or jets, not seen a marine rigid raider with shafts yet....

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Re: Fuuny that................

All academic if'n yer engines are over 300hp each I believe, cos sterns are retricted to 300hp ar'nt they?

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Re: Fuuny that................

How about kinda mixing the 2 and using surface drives over say 300bhp.

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Re: Fuuny that................

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://ocean-liners.schuminweb.com/ships/queen-elizabeth-2.asp>click here and scroll to bottom</A> 28.5 knots.

Even the container ships do that sort of speed, which is why they can creep up on you faster than you expect

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Re: Fuuny that................

the limitation is torque, not hp...

The VP 8.1GXi (petrol) chucks out 420hp thru a standard DP-S outdrive quite happily, as it doesn't have the gear-crunching torque curve of most diesels.

Anyway, rumour has it that the current DP-H drive, currently taking 310hp from a D6-310, has a fair bit of spare capacity, so expect diesel outdrives in the range 310-375hp to appear over the next few years.

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Re:Think to the future.............

Think we all agree that the weak spot in the outdrive case is the ability of water to enter at various joints and things and the expence of cureing the resulting mayhem.
Perhaps it is a case of materials technology needing to catch up with the outdrive concept.for instance plastic being used for body of outdrive but mostly getting rid of that manky rubber hose(for gods sake its nearly 2004) that needs to be changed every 2/3 years or so.


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Re:Think to the future.............

...true, if you don't change the rubber bits, after three to five seasons, you sink.

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