Seville - Winter 2009/10 ?

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Hi. We are planning to bring our sailing boat (12.4m) from Barcelona (strongly recommend Port Vell) to Plymouth over the next two summers. In the past we have stayed at Lagos and at Bruce's yard in Faro - both have their good points. But we thought Seville sounded good - there are some very favourable posts about it on this site from 2006. We will leave the boat unattended for several months, so security and safety from flooding rivers and so forth will be a concern. Has anyone been there this last winter who can offer up-to-date comments, prices, ability to book ahead, web sites, etc?
best wishes to all
Rick
Blue Beat (Oyster 406)
 
Haven't left our boat there but lived in the city for a while. Its a great place. PM me if theres any info you need and I'll try to help! Good language schools there too - although the accent is ..... unusual!!

Cheers!
 
The Club Nautico is very secure with excellent facilites - but expensive and usually full. A great walk into town

There is another marina as you come out of the lock, hang a right and it is on the far side of the river. It is scruffy, cheap and (I would imagine) less secure to leave a boat. There are also no shops or restaurants - no public transport either so trips into town are by cab.

The third marina (Gelves) is on a left fork of the river before you get to the lock. It is cheaper but a bus ride from town. There are also some power lines straddling the tributary so you will need to check your mast height.

I have only visited in the summer (unbearably hot) but have Swedish friends who wintered at Club Nautico and raved about it.

Couple of random points. Don't believe any information from the Marina Office at Chipiona - especially on bookings and (Seville) bridge opening times. They told us it would open 'on demand'. After two hours circling around 'demanding' we were told on the radio (by another yachtie watching us from the Club Nautico) that it only opened on Mondays and Fridays. It was a Tuesday! Hence our three day stay in the cheaper marina.

There is also a nice couple (German guy and Portuguese wife) who are longtermers and may still be there. Lots of info from them.

Hope I am not too out of date. Good luck.
 
My info is well out of date, but the river just below the town splits, and you go through a lock to reach the yacht Club moorings close to the town. Being canalised, this isn't subject to the usual winter ups and downs. No problems with depths. Easy access to town. Smashing place from late September to early May. Searingly hot June to early September, with no sea nearby to cool things down a bit.

The smaller marina at Gelves is in a pool off the main river, west of town. It has ups and downs, but it's completely sheltered from the flow. However, some winters Gelves does silt up a little, and my 406 had to push its way through some (very soft) mud to get in and out when the tide wasn't quite high enough.

You'll be able to make the trip from Chipiona (at the river mouth) in one tide if you pay attention to the (easy) transits. However, there may be a pause or two on the mud if you don't pay attention. Different on the way out - pay attention, or wait a tide!
 
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we too plan to leave the boat at sevilla next winter, where exactly (real nautico, gelves or the small marina before the dam will depend on how much time the children will spend there..); anyway, I went to the real nautico (the posh one) a couple of weeks ago (yes weeks), looked around and asked all sort of questions: the real nautico is behind the lock and the river is closed on the other side so water conditions at the marina are "like a swimming pool" said the harbour master; almost no tide, boats are usually moored with a lazy cable so no anchoring is needed;
the cost of a berth for a period longer than 6months for our 12.35x3.9m is around 600 euro a month (they charge by square metres, loa times beam), shorter periods go up accordingly, daily rate I think is double that figure; facilities are excellent: tennis courts, restaurant, swimming pools, etc; security access to the pontoons; fwiw Magellan left from the docks opposite

I posted a couple of pictures here
http://sybrancaleone.blogspot.com/2009/04/sevilla.html

Personally, if we will be living aboard for some length of time it will be the Real Nautico, otherwise either Gelves or the other small marina.

I got a paper with the opening times of the lock and of the swinging bridge (one has to pass both to arrive at Real Nautico), will try to post some more info tomorrow
 
Hi - we were in Seville for two months in April/May 2007, so maybe slightly out of date but the descriptions sound much as we experienced.

You don;tsay whether, in those few months, you wish to haul out, and afloat or ashore you want to spend time aboard in Seville. These influence your choices. The only marina, as far as I am aware, where you can sleep aboard while on the hard is at Gelves. They have plenty of room ashore in the winter but you must be afloat before their boat show in late April.

If you wish to be able to flit to and fro, enjoying winter w/ends in Seville then either gelves or club nautico. With both of them, but particularly gelves, you have to turn up and see if there is a space. Gelves is very small, with maybe half-a-dozen places for a 40'+ boat, so it's very mucha matter of luck. Club nautico has many more spaces and much more facilities but is correspondingly significantly dearer. I do not know if they have space ashore. I think the cheaper marina (though the lock adn turn right) has hard standing, but it's a long way out of seville and with no local shops etc (unlike Gelves which is a real place), but it may be a cheap, bookable option if you are really not visiting the boat at all during that period.

The absolute cheapest choice is to anchor in the river of Gelves, which we did. You get a small charge from the marina for using their loos/water/landing pontoon, but it's derisory - or you rent a dinghy berth from them, which is even less! But the river can flood; when it doesthe river police warn you adn you allowed through the lock into club nautico at minimal/no charges. I would not leave my boat unattended on that river for any length of time. If you are going to be aboard consistently then it's a lovely place, though v dark in the shortest days!

If you're not going to go back at all and don;t fancy a 50-mile each way river trip on spec, than you could consider leaving the boat ashore at Rota or even Cadiz. From Rota, we got to Gelves on one tide (about 9 hours) with no problems, so you could put her back in and get to Seville for Semana Santa and feria without any problems. (it is worth anchoringoff the Donanas and dinghying to Sanlucar de Barrameda, but you can do that on the way down again.) You fly to Jerez (not Seville) and get the bus, and it's about 45-60 minutes longer than Gelves from Seville.

HTH
 
Gelves, during the winter, used to have a habit of silting up.

Very thin mud but when I was lifted in the spring there was nearly 18" on my keel-wing.

Being 1/3 price of Real Nautico, it tends to have more eccentric and impoverished yachties there and it is in a very working class part of Sevilla.

As far as flood risks, they're negligible unless your on the river pontoon and those are taken in for the winter.
 
I found the paper with the tariffs for Nautico Sevilla, their email nauticosevilla@nauticosevilla.com

91-180 days: (40% discount) 0.46 euro /sq metre/ day
>181 days: (50% discount) 0.39 euro/sq metre/day

these prices include practically everything (electricity, water, security...), I have noticed some of the club activities have a very moderate additional fee (like 1 euro for a one hour tennis court), swimming courses or canoeing school for children, etc.

Opening timetable for the swinging bridge (Puente de las Delicias) Mon, Wed, Fri at 2200h;
Sat, Sun and other holidays at 2000h
One *must* call them at least one hour before showing up.

Opening times for the lock are
Mon, Wed, Fri at 1000, 2100, 2300;
Tue, Thu at 1000 and 2100
Sat, Sun and other holidays 1000, 1900, 2100.
 
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