Selfish yacht, poor show Yarmouth

neale said:
Not really. What many people fail to understand is that any kind of inconsiderate behaviour, whether it be noise, wash or general arrogance, will inconvenience all other boaters whether they are on a sailing or motor boat. Wash from a motor boat will affect a motor boat at anchor probably worse than a sailing boat while inconsiderate tacking will affect another sailer as much as it will a motorboater.
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I think you are in danger of taking life too seriously. What is it these days, is boating making people miserable or are all the miserable people taking up boating?
 
l'escargot said:
I think you are in danger of taking life too seriously. What is it these days, is boating making people miserable or are all the miserable people taking up boating?
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I think what is making people miserable, is selfish and inconsiderate behaviour carried out by people that don't give a flying feck about how their actions impact on people.
 
prv said:
I don't quite see it the same way.

The simple fact is that ships are designed to be powered 24/7 by generators, they don't have battery banks except as short-term emergency backup for the most essential systems. Even the navigation lights on Stavros are 240v, as is the steering (I presume there may be some kind of last-ditch backup for that, because the emergency self-powered telephone system has a station in the steering flat, but you wouldn't be able to steer from the bridge).

I know less about "superyachts", but if they're built as ships with a veneer of chrome and teak on top, then I can quite believe that turning off the generators (and yes, "black ship" is a term that exists in the field) is not a practical proposition. Comments like "but surely the galley uses gas?" and "they must have big batteries for such a big boat" make the assumption that a vessel like this is simply a 40-foot yacht scaled up a couple of times. T'ain't so, and I can see why someone who knows about the subject would find such comments laughable (even if many here didn't like the way he expressed that).

Now, none of this is an excuse for the occupants of this vessel to annoy their neighbours with noise. If the generator sounds like a mobo's main engine, then I heartily agree with you that it's "feckin' bad boat design". The bad design isn't the reliance on diesel generation, though, it's the failure to apply effective soundproofing so that the generator is inaudible both on board and alongside.

All the ranting about how ships shouldn't need 240v power seems to both misunderstand the situation, and miss the point. The problem isn't the power, the problem's the noise.

Pete
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Pete I think yours is the first post on here to grasp the essential issue. I agree with you and wonder why others can’t see beyond some of their silly remarks. The comments about being green-eyed etc have produced more smoke than answers and miss the point.

Many of the comments about the services and requirements of a superyacht TOTALLY miss the point of the purpose of the superyacht in the first place. Say what you like about the super rich and celebrities that use the things, one of the last things that they actually gain pleasure from is the actual sailing! The yacht is a platform for showing off or getting away from the mainstream of life and press or whatever. The yacht really does NEED the power to run - its a small ship and people show complete ignorance of classification and insurance when they say 'just make another power lead up' and 'turn off some of the devices'. It might easily have been possible to do any number of things - even run a 'black ship' for a night, but if there had been an incident or a fire etc then no insurance and multi millions down the pan with the Skipper unemployed and unemployable. It just doesn't work like that. You can’t ‘just make another power lead up’ doing such a thing can easily take you out of classification and affect any insurance claim.

The real issue is not why the generators were running, but why they were so loud. In my dealing with superyachts the generators invariably have very good silencers, with wet exhausts, but with water separators with underwater discharges and the cooled exhaust gases being emitted to atmosphere almost silently. (A friend of mine developed one of the systems to allow this to happen.)

With the greatest of respect some of the responses are crass. I can see what Celebrity Scandal was trying to do and my only suggested defence is that when you live and work in the superyacht industry you are constantly surrounded by tourists ogling the toy that some rich person is paying you to maintain and work on, and its easy for you lose a sense of perspective about where values are, and start to assume that everyone else is jealous of you. Its not always a very nice industry to be in and appearances can be very deceptive.

(I speak with feeling as I have had several invitations to work in the industry but I like to look at myself in the mirror in the mornings with some respect. Why this might have changed and what some yacht crews have to endure and do should be left to another thread.)
 
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john_morris_uk said:
The comments about being green-eyed etc have produced more smoke than answers and miss the point.

...the purpose of the superyacht...one of the last things that they actually gain pleasure from is the actual sailing! The yacht is a platform for showing off or getting away from the mainstream of life and press or whatever.

I can see what Celebrity Scandal was trying to do...when you live and work in the superyacht industry you are constantly surrounded by tourists ogling the toy that some rich person is paying you to maintain and work on, and its easy for you to lose a sense of perspective about where values are, and start to assume that everyone else is jealous of you.

(I speak with feeling as I have had several invitations to work in the industry but I like to look at myself in the mirror in the mornings with some respect.)
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:D :D :D Well said!
 
peterb said:
From the "Public Profile":

CelebrityScandel has not made any friends yet​

Surprise, surprise!
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That's a pointless cheap shot. Your profile says exactly the same, as does mine, because the "friends" function on the forums is irrelevant and unused.

Pete
 
prv said:
That's a pointless cheap shot. Your profile says exactly the same, as does mine, because the "friends" function on the forums is irrelevant and unused.

Pete
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That's made me feel better....I assumed everybody except me had 760 'friends' like Facebook etc!
 
john_morris_uk said:
Pete I think yours is the first post on here to grasp the essential issue. I agree with you and wonder why others can’t see beyond some of their silly remarks. The comments about being green-eyed etc have produced more smoke than answers and miss the point.

Many of the comments about the services and requirements of a superyacht TOTALLY miss the point of the purpose of the superyacht in the first place. Say what you like about the super rich and celebrities that use the things, one of the last things that they actually gain pleasure from is the actual sailing! The yacht is a platform for showing off or getting away from the mainstream of life and press or whatever. The yacht really does NEED the power to run - its a small ship and people show complete ignorance of classification and insurance when they say 'just make another power lead up' and 'turn off some of the devices'. It might easily have been possible to do any number of things - even run a 'black ship' for a night, but if there had been an incident or a fire etc then no insurance and multi millions down the pan with the Skipper unemployed and unemployable. It just doesn't work like that. You can’t ‘just make another power lead up’ doing such a thing can easily take you out of classification and affect any insurance claim.

The real issue is not why the generators were running, but why they were so loud. In my dealing with superyachts the generators invariably have very good silencers, with wet exhausts, but with water separators with underwater discharges and the cooled exhaust gases being emitted to atmosphere almost silently. (A friend of mine developed one of the systems to allow this to happen.)

With the greatest of respect some of the responses are crass. I can see what Celebrity Scandal was trying to do and my only suggested defence is that when you live and work in the superyacht industry you are constantly surrounded by tourists ogling the toy that some rich person is paying you to maintain and work on, and its easy for you lose a sense of perspective about where values are, and start to assume that everyone else is jealous of you. Its not always a very nice industry to be in and appearances can be very deceptive.

(I speak with feeling as I have had several invitations to work in the industry but I like to look at myself in the mirror in the mornings with some respect. Why this might have changed and what some yacht crews have to endure and do should be left to another thread.)
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Totally agree. BUT the owner should be taken to task for not sorting the matter out. The harbour should not tolerate the yacht in the harbour whilst this deficiency in the design exist.
 
Will there be a Sequel (see what I did there?) when next this intrepid vessel sails forth and makes port ' on the cheap'?

Can anyone offer an MMSI ident, please? So the rest of us can at least be forewarned next time, ta.
 
More to the point...

Blueboatman said:
Will there be a Sequel (see what I did there?) when next this intrepid vessel sails forth and makes port ' on the cheap'?

Can anyone offer an MMSI ident, please? So the rest of us can at least be forewarned next time, ta.
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Is it out of Yarmouth now?
Rallying there this weekend, and don't want more hassle than the usual late night caterwauling young drunks trying to drown themselves in an xfer twixt tender&yacht flying a Bar(QC type) Yacht Club burgee:D
i was trained to drink and drown like a gentleman.

My 2x40mm paraluminaries are TEP too;)
 
It is not difficult to design good sound proofing for exhausts on super yachts (and small yachts too) - Halyard Marine have a very sound reputation in this field, and I am sure that they would be able to offer the Sea Quells some good advice if requested.
http://www.halyard.eu.com/
If HM were instructed to re-design the exhausts on Sea Quell, their generator(s) would probably be hardly audible.

JFM (on the motor boat forum) has a lovely 78' Fairline motor yacht called Match who is fitted with almost every conceivable marine electrical and electronic device known, including underwater lights and air conditioning, yet I am sure I read in one of his posts sometime ago that they do not like to have to run the generator at night when away from shore power, and that they have the capability to run the house electrical demand on batteries only for some time, possibly all night.
 
Blueboatman said:
Will there be a Sequel (see what I did there?) when next this intrepid vessel sails forth and makes port ' on the cheap'?

Can anyone offer an MMSI ident, please? So the rest of us can at least be forewarned next time, ta.
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ShipAIS.com shows a sailing vessel by the name of Seaquell heading WSW south of Lyme Bay on 17th August:
Name: Seaquell
MMSI: 538070801 [MH]
Callsign: V7WV8
Speed/Dir: 11.9 kts / 237° WSW
Status: Underway
Dest:
ETA:
Type: Sail (36)
Size: 33m x 8m x 0m
Received: 14:37:04 17 Aug 12 BST (4 days ago)
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No update since then - perhaps they've had a power failure.:eek:
 
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