Selfish yacht, poor show Yarmouth

[sarabande]

no, Mountain is intelligent, articulate and passionate. CelSc is a boat bum, doubtless with direct experience of mollycoddling the overpaid C listers and their parasitic entourages.

His position that lots of mains electricity is essential for the continuing well-being of the boat ("ooh ! It might all go 'black' " TOUGH, that is feckin' bad boat design and management, and NOTHING to do with classification societies) is self-centred and shows no social respect for the other people in the vicinity.

It is a shame that he should believe that might is right. My egalitarian principles are outraged. I bet he runs one of those drippy mags you see being sold to airhead supermarket shoppers.

He and his clones are added to my list.

 

[prv]

His position that lots of mains electricity is essential for the continuing well-being of the boat ("ooh ! It might all go 'black' " TOUGH, that is feckin' bad boat design and management, and NOTHING to do with classification societies) is self-centred and shows no social respect for the other people in the vicinity.

I don't quite see it the same way.

The simple fact is that ships are designed to be powered 24/7 by generators, they don't have battery banks except as short-term emergency backup for the most essential systems. Even the navigation lights on Stavros are 240v, as is the steering (I presume there may be some kind of last-ditch backup for that, because the emergency self-powered telephone system has a station in the steering flat, but you wouldn't be able to steer from the bridge).

I know less about "superyachts", but if they're built as ships with a veneer of chrome and teak on top, then I can quite believe that turning off the generators (and yes, "black ship" is a term that exists in the field) is not a practical proposition. Comments like "but surely the galley uses gas?" and "they must have big batteries for such a big boat" make the assumption that a vessel like this is simply a 40-foot yacht scaled up a couple of times. T'ain't so, and I can see why someone who knows about the subject would find such comments laughable (even if many here didn't like the way he expressed that).

Now, none of this is an excuse for the occupants of this vessel to annoy their neighbours with noise. If the generator sounds like a mobo's main engine, then I heartily agree with you that it's "feckin' bad boat design". The bad design isn't the reliance on diesel generation, though, it's the failure to apply effective soundproofing so that the generator is inaudible both on board and alongside.

All the ranting about how ships shouldn't need 240v power seems to both misunderstand the situation, and miss the point. The problem isn't the power, the problem's the noise.

Pete

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

Interesting to read views about boat design, and in typical forum manner we can divert all over on that. There reaches a size point where vessels require generators to operate and what that point is is hardly the issue here.


The issue here is that Yarmouth is a small harbour aimed at leisure sailors and not superyachts. The harbour rules are written with that in mind.

The harbour have still not given a reason why they allowed this particular vessel to break those rules, to the annoyance of a large number of visitors.

If you are not happy with what happened there is no real point on bleating about it here, or complaining to the harbour master. He is just an employee and is there to implement and follow the rules set down by the harbour commissioners.

The harbour commissioners are the people to take an complaint to if you feel the harbour master has not satisfactorily addressed your concerns.

 

[A1Sailor]

The harbour commissioners are the people to take an complaint to if you feel the harbour master has not satisfactorily addressed your concerns.

http://www.yarmouth-harbour.co.uk/harbour-commission/
There are nine commissioners - one of them the Harbourmaster!

Yarmouth Harbour's Mission Statement is here

The Commissioners will maintain and enhance Yarmouth Harbour as a viable Port bringing trade and tourism to the Island and in particular the West Wight area, whilst preserving the character and charm of the surrounding environment and ensuring the long-term future of the Harbour and Estuary.

 

[Greenheart]

Interesting to read views about boat design, and in typical forum manner we can divert all over on that. There reaches a size point where vessels require generators to operate and what that point is is hardly the issue here.

The harbour have still not given a reason why they allowed this particular vessel to break those rules, to the annoyance of a large number of visitors.

+1.

May we assume by now, that at least one of the nine commissioners has read (and inferred) the serious dissatisfaction felt by so many potential and actual customers?

Despite CelebrityScandel's verbose, elaborately irrelevant distractions, the issue isn't what a prize pain in the neck it must be to own/run/charter a superyacht...it's why was an exception made to Yarmouth Harbour's rules, thereby bothering others in the vicinity?

If we object to the yacht's operators' reasons for needing large amounts of power in the middle of the night, that is suggestive of an ingrained, ineradicable suspicion and grudging against SeaQuell's ostentatious proportions...and misses the point entirely...

...whereas, if we object to any vessel whose inadequacies require that she run a noisy generator all night, then we focus on the instance of a rule being broken, or the allowance of it being broken by the very people empowered to prevent such from happening.

SeaQuell shouldn't have been allowed to stay; her systems aren't up to scratch for this port. That should have been her crew's misfortune. The fact that it became everyone else's misfortune, isn't the yacht's operators' fault. Yarmouth Harbour commissioners owe us a response.

 

[Chrusty 1]

"Yarmouth Harbour commissioners owe us a response."

Well no, I don't think he owes us anything, "us" is all encompassing, and quite honestly, I don't give a stuff if a few yotties in the Solent were inconvenienced. I do think that by now though, he has got the message.

 

[Greenheart]

I do think that by now though, he has got the message.

Hope you're right, Chrusty. I don't actually like Yarmouth, though I had a terrific steak there last month...

...I s'pose I mean he'd be smart to reassure those who do care, that this patchy observation of the rules, won't recur.

"Us" meant anyone who'd like to believe that rules which supposedly bind the public to considerate behaviour, apply to all.

 

[Resolution]

no, Mountain is intelligent, articulate and passionate. CelSc is a boat bum, doubtless with direct experience of mollycoddling the overpaid C listers and their parasitic entourages.

His position that lots of mains electricity is essential for the continuing well-being of the boat ("ooh ! It might all go 'black' " TOUGH, that is feckin' bad boat design and management, and NOTHING to do with classification societies) is self-centred and shows no social respect for the other people in the vicinity.

It is a shame that he should believe that might is right. My egalitarian principles are outraged. I bet he runs one of those drippy mags you see being sold to airhead supermarket shoppers.

He and his clones are added to my list.

Read it that way if you wish. I thought CelScan gave a fairly straightforward explanation of how a small ship runs and why generators are a necessity. I don't think many on this forum had previously been aware of these facts, so thanks for the education.

Where he was wrong was to suggest that our little green forum eyes would be flashing jealous of such a big posh yot. Clearly, from the responses, a majority actually prefer something smaller, simpler and perhaps more egalitarian. (By the way, what colour ensign was Sea Quell flying/wearing??)


As stated just above, the two real issues are
1. why did Yarmouth allow this ship in?
2. why is it not possible to silence the generating equipment better?


Do Rocna not make an anchor large enough for Sea Quell? Is this why she was unable to anchor off?

 

[prv]

Read it that way if you wish. I thought CelScan gave a fairly straightforward explanation of how a small ship runs and why generators are a necessity. I don't think many on this forum had previously been aware of these facts, so thanks for the education.

Where he was wrong was to suggest that our little green forum eyes would be flashing jealous of such a big posh yot. Clearly, from the responses, a majority actually prefer something smaller, simpler and perhaps more egalitarian. (By the way, what colour ensign was Sea Quell flying/wearing??)


As stated just above, the two real issues are
1. why did Yarmouth allow this ship in?
2. why is it not possible to silence the generating equipment better?

+lots

My thoughts exactly.

Pete

 

[Elessar]

SeaQuell shouldn't have been allowed to stay; her systems aren't up to scratch for this port. That should have been her crew's misfortune. The fact that it became everyone else's misfortune, isn't the yacht's operators' fault. Yarmouth Harbour commissioners owe us a response.

I agree - this time a truthful one would be nice.

 

[lustyd]

I'm surprised nobody has picked up on the other important factor - Yarmouth and Berthon are pretty much the only places in the Solent they could get to without a pilot. Having been at Berthon for a few weeks I'd probably move to Yarmouth too - the pubs in Lymington aren't all that great, and with a superyacht the Berthon showers probably aren't as impressive while the Yarmouth "facilities" wouldn't be an issue.
I am surprised there wasn't better soundproofing on such a snazzy boat (which is wider than mine is long!!) but I think everyone was pretty reasonable throughout apart from those who think Yarmouth can remain the quiet little harbour they remember from their youth. It can't, by the way, there are simply too many people around to outvote the minority who like it as-is.

 

[l'escargot]

...I don't give a stuff if a few yotties in the Solent were inconvenienced...

I think you will find the OP is actually a mobo? Isn't there a certain irony that he started a thread that has run into more than a dozen pages about being disturbed by a raggie running a generator?

 

[Chrusty 1]

I think you will find the OP is actually a mobo? Isn't there a certain irony that he started a thread that has run into more than a dozen pages about being disturbed by a raggie running a generator?

I suppose I was being a bit off really, but it's not a phenomena that we are bothered with around here. Peace and tranquility be the order of the day, or night.

 

[Elessar]

I think you will find the OP is actually a mobo? Isn't there a certain irony that he started a thread that has run into more than a dozen pages about being disturbed by a raggie running a generator?

boater not a mobo
All boaters were disturbed and many were quite cross.

 

[Chrusty 1]

boater not a mobo
All boaters were disturbed and many were quite cross.

Boater! Thought that was something a chap wears on his head? I have heard members of the Brummagem Navy refer to themselves as boaters of course.

Perishing harbor master chappie should be lashed to a grating and given a taste of the cat! The bounder!

 

[Elessar]

Boater! Thought that was something a chap wears on his head? I have heard members of the Brummagem Navy refer to themselves as boaters of course.

Perishing harbor master chappie should be lashed to a grating and given a taste of the cat! The bounder!

OK guilty as charged. Got a better term though? For someone who just likes boats whatever their means of propulsion? (except oars of course !!)

 

[prv]

someone who just likes boats whatever their means of propulsion? (except oars of course !!)

Yeah, those chaps are always having a row about something.

Pete

 

[neale]

Isn't there a certain irony that he started a thread that has run into more than a dozen pages about being disturbed by a raggie running a generator?

Not really. What many people fail to understand is that any kind of inconsiderate behaviour, whether it be noise, wash or general arrogance, will inconvenience all other boaters whether they are on a sailing or motor boat. Wash from a motor boat will affect a motor boat at anchor probably worse than a sailing boat while inconsiderate tacking will affect another sailer as much as it will a motorboater.

 

[Chrusty 1]

OK guilty as charged. Got a better term though? For someone who just likes boats whatever their means of propulsion? (except oars of course !!)

Looking at your avatar, it seems that the term "Abandon Ship" is a firm favourite on your vessel.

I don't think you should be bashful about calling yourself a sailor, it's a generic term to refer to all folk that go down to the sea in ships, bigguns or littluns.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Not really. What many people fail to understand is that any kind of inconsiderate behaviour, whether it be noise, wash or general arrogance, will inconvenience all other boaters whether they are on a sailing or motor boat. Wash from a motor boat will affect a motor boat at anchor probably worse than a sailing boat while inconsiderate tacking will affect another sailer as much as it will a motorboater.

Yey verily, thou speakest much truth.