Secondhand Honda or New Kipor

pvb said:
Yes, it's available now for £485, rather less than the £545 Cliff quoted. I wonder who does the procurement for his business? ;)
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Please provide links to your quote of £485 - (is that +vat? + del?)

BTW - Son does majority of procurement but he spends hours researching prices / specifications
 
richardsnowstar said:
Does anyone know the conversion from Kva to watts?

The Kipor 2000 produces 1.6 Kva but I am not sure how this compares to watts that other generators are rated in.
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Ah I do know this one... In a resistive load KVA equals kilowatts. 1KVA = 1000watts. The reason that KVA are used is that in AC circuits you can have an inductive load (a motor), flourescent lights or a capacitive load perhaps an electronic device like a battery charger. This causes the current to either lead or lag the voltage. This can make the amps times volts not equal power. Hence the use of volt amps (the VA). The difference should only be a small percentage say up to 10% and the rating is simply to be more specific in all cases.
In other words to warm an electric element in a calorifier, electric jug or heater the KVA is the same as watts. But to drive motors or possibly battery charger you might need more KVA than watts. olewill
 
Oscarpop said:
So we have decided to pick up a mid priced genny 1000-2000w. I have read with much interest the threads on here extolling the virtues of both the honda eu10i and the Kippor 2000. Now the new price of the Kippor seems to be the same as the e bay selling prices for the eu10. What would you choose? Thanks.
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Do you really need a genny? We have just ditched our 20i via e bay, 4 years old and 30 hours of running. Instead we fitted a webasto to provide heating and now solar panels for electicity. An inverter will provide mains for the occasional power tool. You can buy a lot of solar panels for the price of a 20i.

Pete
 
pvb said:
£485 includes VAT. There's a £4 shipping charge. See here.
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Interesting
max 40 days delivery
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for £489 or

max 14 days delivery
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for £529

OK if one can wait (or is prepared to wait up to 6 weeks for delivery!

Unlike cheaper generators, it produces a pure sinewave at exactly 60Hz and powers even sensitive devices such as computers and audio-video electronics, Stephane F., France, 15/09/2011
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looks like these are European spec units - 60hz - not a great deal of use in the OK for running 50Hz equipment (OK some will run on 60 Hz by many won't or at least won't run for long!) - Maybe they are switchable between 50 and 60 Hz though the operators manual does not show any such facility.

Notice anything about the reviews? all from Eurpoean countries - (60Hz countries?)

The devil is in the fine print :D

Perhaps not such a bargain after all
 
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cliff said:
looks like these are European spec units - 60hz - not a great deal of use in the OK for running 50Hz equipment (OK some will run on 60 Hz by many won't or at least won't run for long!)
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My ig1000 has been of great use for many years now without having or causing any issues. I use it with lots of sensitive equipment, even.

In my experience most equipment from the UK runs fine in Europe and vice versa, including longer term. If not, it would be a nightmare for product manufacturers having to have UK specific versions and I have never seen any warnings 'not to be used in Europe' on UK products. I think you are trying to see issues where there is none.

Proof is in the number of happy long term users you can find on here.
 
cliff said:
looks like these are European spec units - 60hz - not a great deal of use in the OK for running 50Hz equipment (OK some will run on 60 Hz by many won't or at least won't run for long!) - Maybe they are switchable between 50 and 60 Hz though the operators manual does not show any such facility.

Notice anything about the reviews? all from Eurpoean countries - (60Hz countries?)

The devil is in the fine print :D

Perhaps not such a bargain after all
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Oh, Cliff, you're so desperate to prove me wrong! Didn't you think to check European mains frequency before you posted? It's 50Hz, just like the UK (and indeed most of Asia). The Kipor spec on the link I gave lists both 50Hz and 60Hz, so I imagine it's switchable.
 
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EugeneR said:
My ig1000 has been of great use for many years now without having or causing any issues. I use it with lots of sensitive equipment, even.

In my experience most equipment from the UK runs fine in Europe and vice versa, including longer term. If not, it would be a nightmare for product manufacturers having to have UK specific versions and I have never seen any warnings 'not to be used in Europe' on UK products. I think you are trying to see issues where there is none.

Proof is in the number of happy long term users you can find on here.
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No - your thoughts are way off base - My Kipor is labeled 230V 50 Hz, that is UK voltage and frequency (it does give 230V @ 50Hz - been verified) - the ones in the link seem to be 60Hz units which is mainland Europe (see comment from French customer). The spec lists 50Hz 230V and 60Hz 120V/240V. As the manual does not refer to any change over switch or voltage selector one can only assume there are a number (2? or maybe 3?) of different models for different regions /voltages. If I was looking for another Kipor I would want to be absolutely sure I was getting a 50Hz 230V machine for use with UK appliances rather than a 60Hz 120v/240V machine. Years ago when I bought mine there was a UK model available through UK dealers) and a "continental" model (60Hz) available through dealers in Europe.

If you are happy ruinning equipment rated 230V 50Hz on 240V 60Hz then go for it while the voltage will probably not be a problem the frequency could cause problems with different items. I had some motors rated 60 Hz - ran ok on 50Hz but slower and they drew higher current and overheated - eventually had to swap them out for 50Hz motors. Just looked at the laptop PSU - 100~240V, 50/60HZ so that should be "bullet proof".

I do know that the charger on the boat will not run of a cheapo genny (frequency not stable) - needs 50Hz pure sine wave to operate correctly. - tried to run it on a cheapo 2t genny (plenty of power) but the damn thing though putting out a pure sine wave (alternator) the damn thing would not hold speed (frequency).

I am sure your IG1000 has given sterling service to you over the years and will happily run sensitive equipment - the IG range are pure sine wave and relatively "clean" - I would be interested to know what is on the rating plate - 50Hz 230V or 60Hz 240V
 
cliff said:
No - your thoughts are way off base - My Kipor is labeled 230V 50 Hz, that is UK voltage and frequency (it does give 230V @ 50Hz - been verified) - the ones in the link seem to be 60Hz units which is mainland Europe (see comment from French customer).
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Mainland Europe uses 50Hz mains frequency, not 60Hz.
 
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