Second hand market must be DIRE

Final price £1,500 - still not bad but an expensive radar - also quite a lot for the lead - perhaps about right when broken up for second-hand parts :eek:

Ooops! beaten to it!
 
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Congratulations, you've got a good deal there.

I'd like to challenge some of the comments here about a new generation of boat owners, at least to contrast it with my own experience.

I work in the City, in financial services, with a good income and have done all of my career. I got into sailing through a corporate sailing club and had many weekends and trips on chartered boats - from cruisers to racers - on the Solent.

When it came to buying a boat I considered one of these then thought what's the point - why tie up a lot of money in purchase costs and marina fees when I can readily charter for the odd weekend a month I can get out. Plus I can share the charter fees with friends, whereas if I had my own I'd be providing free sailing for them.

I ended up with a boat similar to an Anderson 22 as it more than meets my requirements for a day-sailor, with longer-time capability, for coastal cruising - often singlehanded or shorthanded. I don't mind the lack of headroom and basic facilities at all.

A couple of my friends have actually followed suit and are finding small boats can be a lot of fun.

I'm also a member of a yacht club with an impressive set of smaller, older yachts amongst the membership. I can't think of anything in my club that is newer than about 1985 or longer than 36ft. Many of the owners are under 40.

With the continuing increase in cost of living compared with minimal salary increases, even for many City roles (we're not all on six figure bonuses) I suspect more keen sailors will discover the appeal of small and inexpensive sail boats.

Besides, there's a finite supply of these well-built and well-designed '70's yachts - they don't make them any more and the popular models - the A22, Achilles 24, Sonatas, Limbos etc etc - that are maybe not in the Contessa 26 class but offer plenty in their own right should continue to be popular.

More attention to this group in the yachting press would be definitely welcome.
 
Austerby said:
Congratulations, you've got a good deal there.

I'd like to challenge some of the comments here about a new generation of boat owners, at least to contrast it with my own experience.

I work in the City, in financial services, with a good income and have done all of my career. I got into sailing through a corporate sailing club and had many weekends and trips on chartered boats - from cruisers to racers - on the Solent.

When it came to buying a boat I considered one of these then thought what's the point - why tie up a lot of money in purchase costs and marina fees when I can readily charter for the odd weekend a month I can get out. Plus I can share the charter fees with friends, whereas if I had my own I'd be providing free sailing for them.

I ended up with a boat similar to an Anderson 22 as it more than meets my requirements for a day-sailor, with longer-time capability, for coastal cruising - often singlehanded or shorthanded. I don't mind the lack of headroom and basic facilities at all.

A couple of my friends have actually followed suit and are finding small boats can be a lot of fun.

I'm also a member of a yacht club with an impressive set of smaller, older yachts amongst the membership. I can't think of anything in my club that is newer than about 1985 or longer than 36ft. Many of the owners are under 40.

With the continuing increase in cost of living compared with minimal salary increases, even for many City roles (we're not all on six figure bonuses) I suspect more keen sailors will discover the appeal of small and inexpensive sail boats.

Besides, there's a finite supply of these well-built and well-designed '70's yachts - they don't make them any more and the popular models - the A22, Achilles 24, Sonatas, Limbos etc etc - that are maybe not in the Contessa 26 class but offer plenty in their own right should continue to be popular.

More attention to this group in the yachting press would be definitely welcome.
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Well said that man ! ( then I would say that wouldn't I ! )

Congratulations to Tam Lin, he has done rather well. :)
 
Tam Lin said:
My first broker commmision is a virtual pint please!
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You're welcome, in fact I will buy a virtual pint for anyone who has contributed to this thread as I am feeling in a good mood this morning![/QUOTE]


Yeah Result!

Thank you very much :)

A bargain is when a deal has been struck and both parties are happy with the end result.
 
Apparently the Monaco Yacht Show is reported this year to be a great success, with brokers reporting sales of superyachts in the 3 million to 30 million range...:rolleyes:
 
VO5 said:
Apparently the Monaco Yacht Show is reported this year to be a great success, with brokers reporting sales of superyachts in the 3 million to 30 million range...:rolleyes:
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I don't doubt that for one moment. And among the buyers there will no doubt be the likes of our erstwhile bankers, retired BBC executives, and many of our so-called political elite, all of whom are sitting back in the lap of luxury having a good belly laugh at the rest of us honest paupers who are swanning around in boats now worth next to nothing in the truly buggered market they created! Grrrrr ....
 
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doug748 said:
"Who wouldnt prefer a new car to an old banger - are boats any different?"





Blimey, I would hate to have to look after a ritzy new car, or a new boat for that matter.

My wife once won a new car in a raffle and sold it without looking at it. So that's two of us.



That apart, there seems to be a lot of good sense being spouted.

Youngsters like to ski,cycle, go for hoidays in Thailand, and hen nights in New York. They have rumbled the possibility that owning a boat is a bit of a millstone. Unless, of course, you like sailing a great deal.

Mind you, I never saw the tumble in prices coming, but I guess few predicted a ten year international slowdown either. Prices will pick up again but the era of the 12 grand Centaur has gone for a good while.
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Just got the car insurance renewal. Value £850!! So when my wife put a big new dent in it last week wasnt that bothered!! Annual depreciation £0!

Car bought for (my) business meanwhile has depreciated £15000 in 3 years from new!
 
just to turn this around. we have had our boat on the market for about 4months during that time there has been numerous time wasters (as expected) some people think it ok to put in really stupid unrealistic low offers, even though our pictures show the very good condition of the boat, they seemed to think we are desperate. We have also had a viewing where by his wife wanted the boat but he was determined to have a multihull, so why waste time looking at a mono hull? also another, his wife wanted a mobo as she had the money, why waste our time. When we were looking for boats we did all our home work & list our requirements first so we didnt waste ours & the sellers time. Brokers! wouldnt bother 'inside info' a broker will sell at any price as they will still get a rake off what ever the sale price & it looks good on thier site, 'look how many boats we have sold arn't we good' not really botherd about the vendor. I believe the brokers have caused this (buyers market) as estate agents have caused the problems in the housing market. So if you are not serious dont waste the sellers time. Rant over.
 
Surely though you'd rather have some viewings than none?

People can't always decide from the pictures and may want to check out the boat in person, just in case it really is something they want!

What seem like stupid offers now, may not be in the future, any asset is only worth what buyers are willing to pay after all! Also...whatever people may tell themselves it is a buyers market, that's not to say as an individual you may be a desperate seller, but it just means there are more sellers than buyers and generally less money around to spend on luxury items like boats sadly.
 
In defence of tyre kickers

Don't be so harsh on tyre kickers and tide wasters!

we went to indulge in a spot of tyre kicking and bought the damn thing!
 
Grumpybear said:
So did we. Never go to look at a boat on a wet Sunday in January...
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Best time, I would think - almost any boat that floats looks great on a warm, sunny July afternoon! If it ticks your boxes on a wet January Sunday afternoon, it's probably a keeper!
 
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