LONG_KEELER
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Still don't get it .
You are half way across the channel and fog comes down.
Then what ?
Second hand market must be DIRE
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Still don't get it .
You are half way across the channel and fog comes down.
Then what ?
LONG_KEELER
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The mast is not of a sufficient size to get the radar to a height where it can be useful.
Most racing yachts don't have it on the mast at all.
About 10' above the rail gives plenty of coverage.
Twister_Ken
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She's up to £360. Still a good price for a radar set.
Seajet
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I have radar on my A22 too, having tried fog in mid-Channel and decided I don't like it.
The idea is to run it in bursts to have a look around, not leave it churning like a fishing boat; works well.
The keel plate is mild steel, the ballast bulb is cast iron.
As for the price, all I can say is Iain must be desperate, another owner has had a lot of interest at £5250; but he supplied photo's, which I couldn't get out of Iain !
The idea is to run it in bursts to have a look around, not leave it churning like a fishing boat; works well.
The keel plate is mild steel, the ballast bulb is cast iron.
As for the price, all I can say is Iain must be desperate, another owner has had a lot of interest at £5250; but he supplied photo's, which I couldn't get out of Iain !
l'escargot
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The mast is not of a sufficient size to get the radar to a height where it can be useful.
There are perfectly useful radar installations on motorboats and ribs - probably more useful at times as they aren't transmitting towards the sky on one side and the sea on the other
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Went for £1500 ...
LONG_KEELER
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Yikes. £1500 !
If the markets that bad we will have to carry on sailing then.
Kiss the motor-home goodbye.
Bosun Higgs
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Seems like a fair price for an old small boat. Our club yard has more than a few such boats and they are difficult if not impossible to sell at all. We've had a couple broken up because they wouldnt sell.
I dont see why old boats should be any different to any other old consumer goods. Lots of old cars are scrappers and SWMBO gets through domestic appliances on a regular basis. Who wouldnt prefer a new car to an old banger - are boats any different?
I dont see why old boats should be any different to any other old consumer goods. Lots of old cars are scrappers and SWMBO gets through domestic appliances on a regular basis. Who wouldnt prefer a new car to an old banger - are boats any different?
Sailfree
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Seajet will be along in a minute to correct the error of your ways. Seajet has explained on here many times that an Anderson without any creature comforts is far preferable to a AWB without any handholds. I know he will refuse so i didn't offer to swap my jeanneau 43 for such a superior boat.
alant
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There are perfectly useful radar installations on motorboats and ribs - probably more useful at times as they aren't transmitting towards the sky on one side and the sea on the other
+ RADAR sucks a lot of power, which can only be topped up when the engine is running, so easy on a motorboat and rib.
alant
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Way
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Obviously my humble opinion but I think people are missing the point. Things have got 'worse' and I guess that has been exacerbated by the economic conditions of the last few years. However I don't think this is the whole picture. I don't think 2nd hand boats are selling just because of the climate. I genuinely think the average type of boater out there has changed. We were stuck in Yarmouth IOW for 4 days over the summer - half the boats that came in and out of the harbour were very expensive RIBs visiting for a quick lunch. Plenty of people these days seem to have £50-100k to spend on what is essentially a speedboat. (seem to remember in my youth just the odd person with a 15ft Fletcher and 80hp Mercury on the back)
Then sailing folk. Newer sailing generations seem happy to spend £100k on a 40ft Bavaria. A lot of boat for the money and most people don't seem to want a boat that can go anywhere.
I'm being simplistic deliberately. but I really think over the last 25 years the type of people getting out on the water, and the needs/wants of those people, have changed.
What does that mean here...that there are less people in the second hand market. Partly as I say because the recent financial crisis means people arent rushing to buy boats. But also because sailors seem happier with boats that perhaps some of us didnt aspire to when we were growing up.
People are totally unrealistic about what their boats are worth - a quick flick through PBO shows that. I have recent experience. Sold my Trapper 28 last year - for £2000. I bought her 2 years before for £3700. I first saw her in PBO a couple of months before that for £5500.
you either wait for 2 years paying pontoon/yard fees in the procees, or you realise you're not being realistic and sell for what she's 'worth'
Then sailing folk. Newer sailing generations seem happy to spend £100k on a 40ft Bavaria. A lot of boat for the money and most people don't seem to want a boat that can go anywhere.
I'm being simplistic deliberately. but I really think over the last 25 years the type of people getting out on the water, and the needs/wants of those people, have changed.
What does that mean here...that there are less people in the second hand market. Partly as I say because the recent financial crisis means people arent rushing to buy boats. But also because sailors seem happier with boats that perhaps some of us didnt aspire to when we were growing up.
People are totally unrealistic about what their boats are worth - a quick flick through PBO shows that. I have recent experience. Sold my Trapper 28 last year - for £2000. I bought her 2 years before for £3700. I first saw her in PBO a couple of months before that for £5500.
you either wait for 2 years paying pontoon/yard fees in the procees, or you realise you're not being realistic and sell for what she's 'worth'
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Seajet
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Way,
the thing is A22's have been selling recently, - see the website in my signature - a good basic no frills example usually fetches just over £4K nowadays.
Ian seems to have been unlucky, possibly down to geographical location, I think not having photo's for the website ad' went against him too, and maybe the interior is a bit disappointing; the long and the short of it is he'd already bought another boat so keeping two will incur financial pressure.
the thing is A22's have been selling recently, - see the website in my signature - a good basic no frills example usually fetches just over £4K nowadays.
Ian seems to have been unlucky, possibly down to geographical location, I think not having photo's for the website ad' went against him too, and maybe the interior is a bit disappointing; the long and the short of it is he'd already bought another boat so keeping two will incur financial pressure.
Way
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Hi Seajet - I'm sure they have. Genuinely great news as lots seem to be not selling. I guess I'm talking more generally. For instance I've looked at Sadler 32's over the last couple of years, just out of interest (huge lie, I look at loads of boats, all the time, massively obsessive boat geek!) and due to a childhood love of sadlers. Even ones that I've seen and thought 'seems like a good buy' are not sold perhaps 12-18 months on. I think that shows to me that things have changed. If you constantly see boats that aren't selling at seemingly decent prices then there has to be a reason.
Glad Anderson's are selling. I hope my Hurley 24 does when I win the lottery and buy an Arcona 46. And a Rustler 42. and a Rustler 24 as a daysailor. maybe the R33 too for weekends.
BruceDanforth
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I think a well maintained old small boat with good sails and a decent engine will sell OK. Something tired, neglected and worn might be harder to shift.
Way
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Seajet
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Way,
thanks !
I agree the market is relatively dire, I just noticed a very smart looking She 27 going for £3 K and a bit, nice boat but of course expensive to moor, which I guess is the A22's main feature in this financial climate, it goes on half tide moorings.
However I'm not saying all is rosy by any means, for years I used to get 2-3 queries a week from people looking for an A22, now it's 2 a month.
thanks !
I agree the market is relatively dire, I just noticed a very smart looking She 27 going for £3 K and a bit, nice boat but of course expensive to moor, which I guess is the A22's main feature in this financial climate, it goes on half tide moorings.
However I'm not saying all is rosy by any means, for years I used to get 2-3 queries a week from people looking for an A22, now it's 2 a month.
prv
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Yep - I'm starting to think about replacing my 1999 Polo (trouble is, I want to replace it with a small Japanese 4x4 but the ones I like the look of are all even older...). An online scrap broker will collect it at my convenience and pay £130, and maybe the sale price wouldn't be hugely more.
Pete
jwilson
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The market is changing: people now mostly seem to come into cruising sailing via sailing schools, a few weeks on 36-38 ft boats with full standing headroom, double berths, hot water, full electronics, powerful engines that start on the button, etc. In about 1970 I don't think I was that untypical in just buying a small cruiser after sailing dinghies and getting on with it - Friday afternoon row out to the mooring (that I laid myself) and off down channel for the weekend, week or month. Sitting headroom, primus stove, a Seagull as auxiliary power, and to start with just charts, a compass and leadline.