singlehanded
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Does anyone have a Seamaster 23 lifting keel boat and can tell me whether they are a good boat. I have been offered one at £1600 with lots of kit and in good condition. I know very little about them so are they a decent boat?
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Praxinoscope
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Sorry don’t see why this has been re-located, it isn’t offering anything for sale, nor is it looking for something apart from information on a Seamaster 23.
Aja
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VicS
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A Seamaster Sailer 23 ? A Seamaster 23 is a mobo
A Laurent Giles design and very similar to their Westerly Pageant. Probably not as "desirable" as an almost identical boat carrying the Westerly brand name.
There was one in the yard near.. The keel got stuck but someone with more brawn and a bigger hammer than the owner soon sorted it out.
Most important thing to check out is that it has a decent modern inboard diesel engine ... If it has I'd think it's a steal at £1600. If it hasn't you might be looking at fitting an outboard
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singlehanded
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Yes it has a Yanmar inboard but will it sit on a swinging drying mooring? Regards
sailorman
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£1600 wouldnt buy a new GM10
Topcat47
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After the engine, make sure the keel moves freely. Check the lifting mechanism carefully, lifting keels are a bugger to sort out for a newbie. Also look for cracks in the gelcoat around chainplates and deck fixings. Crazing is to be expected but anything bigger needs investigation.
The exhaust elbow on IGM10's is a known weakness and any salt water leaks at the inlet finds its way into the head, causing sometimes fatal corrosion in between the exhaust port and the waterways. Caught early enough, it's fixable but not cheaply. New Cylinder heads are extortionate and if you need one, you'll need to replace the valves, guides etc.
The exhaust elbow on IGM10's is a known weakness and any salt water leaks at the inlet finds its way into the head, causing sometimes fatal corrosion in between the exhaust port and the waterways. Caught early enough, it's fixable but not cheaply. New Cylinder heads are extortionate and if you need one, you'll need to replace the valves, guides etc.
singlehanded
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many thanks for your replies. I was mistaken the boat has an 8 year old Beta diesel so should be OK. As I have a drying mooring I am concerned as to how it would sit on the sand/mud.
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VicS
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An 8 year old Beta sounds good!
It'll sit in soft mud Ok but mud and stones being forced into the centreplate slot could be a problem . The one I knew was moored in deep soft mud near my mooring.
On a hard bottom it is going to tend to lie on its side a bit I guess unless fitted with legs.
Seajet
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The Seamaster 23 I know of is basically a copy / rip off of the Westerly Pageant; so I'd be surprised if it didn't have twin keels, as the vast majority of Pageants had. The very first Pageant no. 1 was based at my club, called ' L GEE ' after the designer Laurent Giles, owned by the late Dennis Warren - aircraft designer on the Hawk and Harrier, before that the Gnat and Fairey Delta 2 ' faster than the sun ' project, first aircraft to sustain over 1000 mph.
VicS
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As I said in #5 both were Laurent Giles designs. The Seamaster being very slightly earlier ITYWF. I dont, therefore, see how you can suggest it was a copy/ rip off of a Pageant.
It was available with twin, fin or centre board keel types so no reason to be surprised that the one the OP is looking is not a twin keeled one. He says its a lifting keel one in #1.
(There was also a fin keeled version of the Pageant, the Kendal, but very few were ever made)
Seajet
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" A Seamaster 23 is a mobo " led me to think you didn't know the boat.
It would be interesting to know the actual dates these boats were first made; just as the Colvics tried to imitate later Westerlys, like the 33/ Countess.
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VicS
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A Seamaster 23
I'd have thought my reference to the similarity to the Pageant and freeing a stuck centre plate on one in the yard would have told you I probably did know the boat
The Seamaster was produced from 1969 to 1975
The Pageant was produced from 1970 to 1979
I don't know of 23 ft Colvic apart from the Colvic Watson 23 but there was a Colvic 26 which was similar to a Centaur. The hull was also fitted out as the Atlanta 26
Teko
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LGee is now moored on fareham creek, I see her regulary
Tranona
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None of the Colvic range have anything to do with Westerly, nor are they "imitations". Just similar sized boats aimed at the same market like many other boats at the time.
The link with the Seamaster is that they both have the same designer, designed at around the same time to similar briefs so not surprising there are similarities. However as Vic says the Seamaster was the first so using your warped logic the Westerly could be seen as the "rip off".
Seamaster was a well respected motor boat builder and the sail 23 was their first attempt at sailing boats. Subsequently they widened the range and were successful particularly with the bigger 925.
Seajet
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" I don't believe in coincidences " - so why does the Colvic 33 look remarkably like a poor man's version of the Westerly 33 / Discus then ?
I was that poor man at the time and very nearly bought the Colvic job to fit out.
I was that poor man at the time and very nearly bought the Colvic job to fit out.
