Sealine's

[cliffsorge]

Sealine\'s

I have been thinking about buying a Sealine, possibly a 310 Ambassador, a friend of mine said that a surveyor had told him to stay well clear. Any views on this, or is it just sour grapes!!

 

[hlb]

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Oh no not again. Another one for the Sealine heavy gang./forums/images/icons/frown.gif

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Haydn

 

[mustard]

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For some strange reason, Sealine was always my first choice of starter boat. I nearly bought a 300 hr F43 but the survey soured me slightly against them. (Engine problems in the end). Not enough to put me off, but subsequent sour contacts with sour salesmen and a really sour SIBS experience did it for me.

Since my several close encounters of a third kind with the company, I would council you to stay well away.

This is sour grapes no doubt about it. I really have it in for them.

All IMHO, in case KIM wants to pull another anti-Sealine thread......

 

[Guest]

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Reckon this lot will be sending you free barge poles soon

"The Med has got me" (no not the Medway the other Med)

 

[halcyon]

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The 310 are generally a good boat, there will always be good and bad boats, but they are no worse that the other make.

Having spent 20 years going around the UK production yards it beats me why Sealine have this reputation, there build methods and standards are no worse than any other yard, and problems are no more. They are always running at the front of the thechnial field, who else can offer joy stick control of engines plus bow and stern thrusters for docking.

If you have any quiries on charging or switching on the 310, drop us a PM.



Brian

 

[DavidJ]

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I seem to have written this line many times on the boat chat sorry to bore regulars.
I'm on my third Sealine, a new S37, I have visited the factory many times over the last few years and as a manufacturing consultant rate their design and manufacturing capability. Their final assembly of components needs in my view some better disciplines which leads 'silly' problems which show themselves in the first few months. Sealine spare no expense to travel to the boat to solve these 'teething' problems but the overall cost to the company must be significant.
Very easy company to deal with staffed by down to earth friendly people.
Ignore the unsubstanciated myths about Sealine (which for some reason are abound)
Go for it pending a good survey
David

 

[trev]

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Used to have a 310 Statesman, found it an excellent boat apart from the accommodation being a bit on the small side if more than just me'an'er aboard - hence now have 365. I would not hesitate to buy another Sealine.

Trev

 

[tcm]

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Hm. What "myths" i wonder?

 

[ari]

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"Having spent 20 years going around the UK production yards it beats me why Sealine have this reputation, there build methods and standards are no worse than any other yard, and problems are no more"

If Sealine build methods are the same as other yards, as stated, then why is a Fairline 38 just under 10 tons, a Princess 38 just over 10 tons, and a Sealine F37 is 7 3/4 tons? Better construction techniques or just a lot more lightly built?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

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This old chestnut again. I can only speak from personal experience and having owned several different UK manufacturers boats including 3 Sealines, there's basically nothing wrong with them. Sealine's slightly downmarket image dates back to the 1980's when they produced mainly value for money starter boats. It is true that they use mechanical spray techniques rather than hand laying for building their grp hulls and some people are wary of this method although it is widely used elsewhere in the world, particularly in the US. Sealine's styling is not to everyone's taste but they have pioneered a lot of good design ideas, many of which other manufacturers eventually take up also.
As for the quality of the boats, the moderator of this forum has taken a Sealine F37 right around the UK and he survived to tell the tale so they cant be all that bad. With regard to the 310, the best advice is to get both the hull and the mechanical bits professionally surveyed just like any other secondhand boat and, if thats OK, buy the boat if it suits you

 

[simongoldthorpe]

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bette off buying a sealion.

 

[halcyon]

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Why has weight got to do with build qaulity ??
Back in the 1960/70's when we started buildig fibre glass boats they were hand laid and glass made thickness that much heavier to be safe. Then they found out about foam cores and moulde stiffeners, making a a moulding much lighter, and as strong. Thus a smaller engine will give you the same speed as the heavier boat with big engines. Is this why people concider Sealines under engined!

We hear a lot about the yacht industry dying because the builders would not adopt modern contruction techinics, thus leaving only the European builders. Are you suggesting that Sealine should backtrack, and the dinosours .


Brian

 

[kimhollamby]

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F37 has shaftdrives.

But it is a lot smaller in terms of volume than the Fairline and Princess named, which will have a lot to do with the difference. Also you have to be a bit careful when comparing weights to ensure they are measured and/or calculated on a like for like basis.

kim_hollamby@ipcmedia.com

 

[tcm]

Re: Eh david?

Oh pu-lease david. Sealine don't have pretensions of being Fairline or Sunseeker or princess, their largest boat being 51 about where the Fairline Squadron range starts. Starter boat prices are super-sensitive, as you can buy nice large cars for the same money or less. Granted that sealine (unlike Fairline and sunseeker and princess) haven't leapt at the larger boat market, with their varying degrees of success. But their price competiveness does bring some compromises. Or are you arguing that sealine are the amongst the cheapest AND the very best-built boats available?

Can we at least spell "substantiated" correctly if you plan to use the word a great deal?

 

[ari]

Re: Eh david?

But what I don't get is...

We've established from Kim that the F37 is in fact a smaller boat than a Fairine or Princess 38, hence much lighter, and TCM says that Sealine aren't going for the Princess/Sunseeker/Fairline market, but instead are aiming at a different price bracket.

So why is a Sealine F37 with KAMD 300 (285hp) engines only £4,500 cheaper than a Princess 38 with TAMD 63L (318hp) engines if as suggested it is a smaller boat with smaller engines aimed at a cheaper market? (And yes I have been brochure collecting at the Southampton Boat Show, pass me anorak!)

 

[tcm]

Re: Eh david?

ooh we aren't allowed tto talk about that.

 

[DavidJ]

Re: Eh david?

Thanks for the spelling correction.
substantiated
substantiated
substantiated x100
got it!
I don't remember saying that "sealine are the amongst the cheapest AND the very best-built boats available?"
However my response is to the perseption that Sealine's hulls are weak (and quote "fall apart")
Let's move on though since this one has been around the forum at least 3 times in my limited life here.
David
Back in the Med tomorrow...yipeee

 

[tcm]

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[oldgit]

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Go and have a look at www.yachtsurvey.com if you are at all interested in
heavy is good.
They do not built light to benefit from new materials it is because it is cheap.What is known as a price boat.
Ie Lots of open space coated with shiny(wood) achieved by omitting all the internal stringers/frames/ribs bulkheads which give a boat rigidy.
Loverly flexy hull but loads of microwaves and electric gubbins though..

Just hold tight dear it will not be so rough when we get round the corner,trust me.