Sealine s34 vs Targa 34 + engine choice

Portofino said:
An "old " outdrive + Volvo sports cruiser will be a money pit -bit risky ? -Best to get out of a 10y + one ,not IN !
Have you thought of a Cat powered shafty - there's loads of these Italy /France -£3-4K to truck from SoF back to Uk
Typical example -below -but I,am biased :rolleyes::o Built like brick out houses
Go on a viewing holiday first -take family
http://www.yachtall.com/en/show-boat/yacht/boat-for-sale/used/bid/66573/
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:) to good. Saw so many Itama's last week in Capri and the Pontine Islands, I was in heaven land I guess.
At some point it was paradise when I saw this going off the fuel pontoon in Ponza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7yRvJHep2g problem is I went to get my camera and the damn thing just vanish like a mirage, i.e I could just see the rooster.

Opps sorry for the thread drift but Portofino deserves my support.
 
Portofino said:
The link was for a Itama 38 from Eu - here's I hope another
http://www.mondialbroker.com/Barca.aspx?pk=94092f4d-35ee-451a-a96b-80105a62bdac

There's plenty about and usual survey rules applies
Pete gearboxes can be repaired and usually last longer and cost less over the life of a boat than Volvo outdrives -bellows change and all that .
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Sorry but those Itama's look just awful. Very cheap looking and basic with very little room down below and not much usable or pretty deck space. Not much chance of reselling one here in the UK

And for the record I have 13 year old 290 legs with 1200 hours and nothing more than general maintenance has been required.
 
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KevB said:
Sorry but those Itama's look just awful. Very cheap looking and basic with very little room down below and not much usable or pretty deck space.
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I quite like them, my kind of boat, not that I'll ever buy one, but I appreciate the simple lines, very classic looking. Not sure about the lack of railings round the bow though.
 
KevB said:
Sorry but those Itama's look just awful. Very cheap looking and basic with very little room down below and not much usable or pretty deck space. Not much chance of reselling one here in the UK

And for the record I have 13 year old 290 legs with 1200 hours and nothing more than general maintenance has been required.
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Itama is a boat for people who want a boat not a camper in the water. But surely I can understand it is a boat for the few and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Calling it cheap, is totally wrong, since you want find a tiny bit of plastic in an Itama compared to most other builders.
Even its weight alone being more or less double to that of a standard boat more or less the same length tells you something. I saw a couple of these thirty year old 38s in Capri and I was amazed how still well they look.

Obviously if someone wants a Sealine or a Fairline I will tell you myself that Itama is not the boat for you.
But Cheap and Itama do not fit together, considering what kind of boats we are discussing here. Some boats are legends (Itama, Magnum, old Baia's, old Bertrams, Hatteras, Hinckley, Cigarettes. Alfamarine, italcraft) and which ever way you look at Sealine and Fairline are not.
 
Thanks all. We will use boat as a weekend caravan - but will tour South Coast / Channel Islands - so handling is important.

Must admit to be slightly put off the S34 by some of the comments.

And will check out Cranchi 37, they seem esp good value in Europe

Will also check out a 40' sports cruiser on shafts which someone kindly drew to my attention

DW
 
KevB said:
Sorry but those Itama's look just awful. Very cheap looking and basic with very little room down below and not much usable or pretty deck space. Not much chance of reselling one here in the UK

And for the record I have 13 year old 290 legs with 1200 hours and nothing more than general maintenance has been required.
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Kev , "very cheap " they ain't,t -infact build quality is far superior to any of the UK big three .
I came across the build cert for my 14M 42 it's RINA class .
I put the 38 forward as its like the others ( basically the same but diff scale ) has actually a very large cockpit all on one level .With a dog they will all be IN the boat not on it with a hole at the stern and jump able transome gate .
We have a small dog too .
I figured a pair of well maintained Cat 3208's on shafts would cost less over a typical ownership period than 15 y old volvo outdrives .
Just to give you a few examples of build Q issues .
There are no Teak veneers to wear out / sand etc .Its all real ,no veners 7-8 mm thick .10mm on the bathing flatform .
Fire extinguisher -yeah I know boring ,it's not just a pull cord for a gas canister ,it also closes of the fuel tank diesel ,and closes the air vents .
Cantalupi lights in the cabins ,even JFM ditched standard Fairline lights for these beauties .
Most have solid teak and holly polished cabin soles ..too no grubby cream carpet here..
But above all as PowerYachtBlog infers is the lay up -weight .with a 22 degree dead rise at the stern ie deep Vee ,the ride ability to cut through while others slow down is outstanding .
No bangs , no squekes , no gel coat crazing , no nowt .
Of course they may look out of place up some muddy creak on the E coast of Uk sure .
I think the Italiens hold the honours for making quaility boats and this is coming from an ex Sunseeker owner .
SS build Q @ 40 ft ish comes no where near .
On my pontoon in SoF there are at least 4 Fairline Targa 47's 48's and a few Prinny v 48's new modals .
These 8iss around with either Volvo D9,s at 575 hp or worst still D6 435 IPS .
They run out of puff at 30 knots ,- that's my cruise still got 8 to go with s pair of MAN 700 ,s -same size boat .
The IPS D6 one creeps about at 24 Knots - ( I hunted it down last week on the way back from the islands ) .
So thought a Cat powered. 38 on shafts , with 375 or 424 hp would 8iss all over a Sealine / Fairline T 34 ,of similar age .
Thanks for the support PowerYachtBlog
 
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I'm quite taken with the idea of a c40ft' on shafts. I realise the fuel cost will be higher, but can offset this against maintenance. Theres a Sunseeker Portofino 400 & I think the Princess V40 had a shaft option, (but I've not yet found a Princess one in my price range). Both have the sort of layout I'm looking for (2 cabins, large deck area, nice big bow rail for grabbing onto). Are there any other similar models on shafts anyone (e.g. Portofino, PowerYachtBlog) would suggest - as tbh I'm struggling to find them within my budget <£80k . Or maybe I am looking in the wrong places ? Thanks in advance DW
 
We looked at these too .
Ticks a lot of boxes - the sofa back pulls up like a bunk ,so that area sleeps 3 .
There is a sliding panal to sep the forward cabin @ night from the "day " open look .
Massive cockpit and heads and galley to dream off .You are IN it not ON it
Access to engines is great the whole mid sole lifts up and you can literally walk round em .
Aircon is chilled water centralised = whisper silent .
My heart ruled my head this was a v close runner up , ( Itama vs Riviera ) Med based .so Itama edged it for us .
Oh forgot it's got bow rails too
http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2000/Riviera-4000-Offshore-2791113/France#.VcLvA2t5mK0

This has better pic,s have a good look
http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1997/Riviera-4000-Offshore-2754350/France#.VcLynWt5mK0
 
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I certainly like the Uniesse very high quality boat, and with it I would consider also a Cayman 38 or 40. You find some Cayman's 38 with HT around, I also have a good deal of one in Pisa atm.
The fame of Uniesse is very big in Italy not only by yachtsman but also working people in the industry alike.

I just delivered a Cayman 58 from Rome and was very impressed with its dryness performance and speed, and I also did a long consultancy for a client from South East Italy and the final choice was an Uniesse 42 with the rare 2 bath interior.
He ended up pulling 200k EUROS for that though, but condition was near perfection.

If you want something more sexy there is also a couple of hot deals of Pershing 45s from 1999 (with 2 x 610hp Man).

All these names will always depend where you are going to position your boat, if it will be the Solent (UK) I'd tell you forget the names above, but if you are in the med these boats carry quite a good value with them.
 
Having spent a week mooching around marinas in Spain & Portugal - and talking to various people on here, I thought I'd give an update.

I see the merits of the Riveria, but it's not quite what we are looking for. We definitely want a twin cabin, sports cruiser type boat.

The idea of twin shafts does appeal - but can't find one for the budget, and having looked around not sure I'm ready for a 43/44 ft boat.

I heard a couple of s/s this week - and though they look gorgeous, I don't think the noise is for me.

Have pretty much settled on Fairline Targa 34 mk II or Targa 37. I accept the extra maintenance costs, but will offset this against lower fuel, shorter boat, and substantially lower price.

Tending to lean towards a T37, with KAD44s, to be kept on the south coast in the UK.

Thanks for the help so far

DW
 
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I sent you a PM with pics of my Smeraldo, for your records.

I have KAD300's - I highly recommend them. My engines / outdrives haven't given a single bit of trouble and all i've done is normal maintenance. However, i'm on fresh water, which may help.
 
TARGA 37 with kad44 is a good boat my old one is forsale at essex it's been on the market a year so you might be able to get a good deal as its a stock boat the white one on their site
Regds ash
 
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