Sealine F33 versus Beneteau Antares 10.80

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Hi All............new to this forum.........be grateful for advice.

Am looking to upgrade boat, and so far am considering the two types as above
General use around North Wales, for weekends and odd week away.

Need good accommodation to use in marina as a base occasionally

pros and cons? any other type I should consider in this size/price range

Thanks
 
Both are good boats from reputable builders. The Sealine will be more common/popular this side of the water, but the 10.80 has a loyal following as well.

I have not much experience helming either boat, but the Beneteau has a bit more length, weight and is on shaft drive so will feel a little more solid when the sea picks up and in stronger winds be a bit less prone to be blown around in the marina.

I dont buy the inherent premise that shafts are easier to manouver than stern drives however. the technique for both is different and the mistake people make is applying the technique for shafts to sterndrives and viceversa which is where the problems start.

On the flip side, the Sealine will be more comfortably fitted out inside. The antares definitly has a more practicle, lets say 'rugged' feel with more bare GRP of show and less complicated joinery. Thats not to say the Antares is built badly, its just geared more to the fishing market which will accept a more utilitarian finish, the Sealine however feels more luxurious. I also think the Sealine has a better fly bridge as the Antares again is a little utilitarian with the earlier boats having uncomfortable plastic seats (although these can be changed).

Accomodation in the Sealine is bigger despite the shortened length due to the engines aft and Sealine are masters of space utilisation. That said, the Antares has much more accessible side decks and for deck so makes deck work, fenders or just lounging forward of the cockpit that bit easier.

The sealine will be more frugal on fuel because of the drives, but will cost a bit more to service each year. The Antares will probably be a bit cheaper to buy year for year because of the (slightly) lower quality finish inside and the more utilitarian look, plus over here they are (not for any particular reason) the less popular boat.

Personally, i like the 10.80, its a bit bigger and heavier which I think is always a good thing but I suspect the difference is small enough to come down to personal taste and the availability of individual boats. Your wife will almost certainly like the Sealine better unless she is a real boaty gal :)

Other boats to consider in this size:

Jeanneau Prestige 32 - Shafts like the Beneteau but a finish more to cruising tasts, with cherry wood and neutral fabrics. Essex boatyards have a nice one for under £100k

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Galeon 330 - Unusual over here, but a nice boat and well finished. On outdrives so efficient for fuel and a finish slightly above the Sealine in my opinion. May struggle to get one for sub 100k however. Bit of a left field choice probably but I have always liked them...

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Hope that helps.
 
Good reply Whitelighter!

harstonwood because you are going to use the boat in North Wales I would go for the Benny.
OK not so 'sporty' well, Whightliter has gone through most of that kinda detail!
SO
The 10.8 is a good sea boat and has nice safe sidedecks etc.
You probably know the sea conditions and weather patterns (lots of them)! that North Wales will throw at you.
Having helmed both the models you mention in and around North Wales I would choose the 10.8
Yep, the Prestige range is a bit 'posher' but the 32 will 'slam' in head seas more than the 10.8
Oh you mentioned you are upgrading
What is your current vessel and where do you keep Her herabouts, if I may be so bold?
 
Go with shafts!

The F33 is great to look at and has good accomodation, but the shaft driven boats of similar size will all kick it's rear end when it comes to actually being out on open water and around the marina for that matter.

Prestige 32, Beneteau 10.80 are both crackers with the Beneteau looking more like a Big Game fisher and the Prestige being more of a mini gin palace.
 
Nautibusiness said:
The F33 is great to look at and has good accomodation, but the shaft driven boats of similar size will all kick it's rear end when it comes to actually being out on open water and around the marina for that matter.
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I am biased, having an F33 and perfectly happy with it in every condition that I have put out in (I dont do gales or heavy seas, but who buys a mobo to do that?), but have no idea what you mean. Is there an explanation for any perceived difference.
 
Nautibusiness said:
Go with shafts!
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I like shafts too but there many who prefer outdrives.
Been mucho debate on here about it so not going there!

Yep, the Prestige and Sealine types do look much nicer, ref interior fit out etc.
I just feel more at home at sea as it were the hull form and shafts of the 'Big Game fishers' as Nauti put it.

Plus they feel more predictable in an around the Marina when its gusty.
Tiss a very personal thing however.
Try and beg borrow or steal a 'test drive' on the two variations.
All our advice/experience and tips on here will help
Could even confuse:rolleyes:
A quick bash, oops no pun intended!:) will give you a far better Idea as to what will suit.
 
AllanJ said:
I am biased, having an F33 and perfectly happy with it in every condition that I have put out in (I dont do gales or heavy seas, but who buys a mobo to do that?), but have no idea what you mean. Is there an explanation for any perceived difference.
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Allen , the F33 is a fine vessel and yep I don't think many of go out in silly weather but One can get caught out!
I know I have on the odd occasion:rolleyes:

A twin shafter semi displacement boat does kinda feel more stable when its a bit bumpy out there.
Without going into a 'Tome' about it.
A vessel with outdrives will cope OK such as the F33 but the helsman will deffo be more busy than the Chap with shafts imho:)
 
Its not perceived ...........
Having helmed both and now owning a outdrive boat,the shaft drive boat feels more planted in the water while outdrive feels more skittish and is definately more affected by crosswinds and more affected by how the boat is loaded.
The fact that all the serious weight is located right aft does not help at all and especially with smaller boats at low speeds ,constant course correction is the order of the day.Auto pilot is a great help.
 
oldgit said:
Its not perceived ...........
Having helmed both and now owning a outdrive boat,the shaft drive boat feels more planted in the water while outdrive feels more skittish and is definately more affected by crosswinds and more affected by how the boat is loaded.
The fact that all the serious weight is located right aft does not help at all and especially with smaller boats at low speeds ,constant course correction is the order of the day.Auto pilot is a great help.
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F33?
All the above and the fact the boat is a foor narrower than the shaft drive counterparts from the continent mean that it rocks and rolls in a seaway and slips and slides in the marina.

That said, it looks good and has great accomodation. It needs a lot less Hp to produce quite rapid speeds so is pretty economical too.
But if I had an F33 lines up alongside a Prestige 32 of the same age and same overall condition... I would have the Prestige 32 without any contemplation.

Outdrives are fabulous if maintained well and on the right boat... a single decked cruiser or sports boat up to +/- 40 feet. They don't behave properly on a flybridge.

All IMHO.

Tom
 
Outdrives are fabulous if maintained well and on the right boat... a single decked cruiser or sports boat up to +/- 40 feet. They don't behave properly on a flybridge.

No more Xmas cards from anyone with outdrives or Sealine owners for you :)
 
oldgit said:
Outdrives are fabulous if maintained well and on the right boat... a single decked cruiser or sports boat up to +/- 40 feet. They don't behave properly on a flybridge.

No more Xmas cards from anyone with outdrives or Sealine owners for you :)
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Like I said...
They are great on the right boat.
I've come to really like some Sealines... The S29 and SC35 are two of my favourites at the moment.
Not so keen personally on the S23 / 25 and really dislike driving the S28, but they aren't bad boats with a simple design flaw.

90% of the boats I have sold this year are on outdrives and they wouldn't have worked on shafts...

An F33 / F34 looks wonderful in the marina, but just IMHO that is where it should stay tied up.
To get that wonderful accomodation on the Sealine small flybridge it has to be on outdrives and that is why it works great in the marina, but simply not my cup of tea once untied.
Gives me shafts on something with an upstairs please.
 
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Kawasaki said:
Now YOU should know too much hamper will affect stability.
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And cause a nasty case of chest slippage which in turn alters the centre of gravity nastily and means more hp is needed to maintain the same speed whilst burning far more fuel and therefore needing more hampers.
It's a vicious circle...
 
Nautibusiness said:
F33?
All the above and the fact the boat is a foor narrower than the shaft drive counterparts from the continent mean that it rocks and rolls in a seaway and slips and slides in the marina.

That said, it looks good and has great accomodation. It needs a lot less Hp to produce quite rapid speeds so is pretty economical too.
But if I had an F33 lines up alongside a Prestige 32 of the same age and same overall condition... I would have the Prestige 32 without any contemplation.

Outdrives are fabulous if maintained well and on the right boat... a single decked cruiser or sports boat up to +/- 40 feet. They don't behave properly on a flybridge.

All IMHO.

Tom
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I'd agree completely with that. I once had a Sealine 305 which was a forerunner of the F33 although the concept of the boat hasn't changed much over the years. Because of it's sterndrive/flybridge combination (never a good idea), the 305 was a pig to handle in a marina in any kind of cross wind situation and, shall we say, 'lively' in a seaway. I wouldn't expect the F33 to be much different. Fantastic accomodation for it's size and price of course, which is why people buy them.
Personally I'd go with the shaftdrive Benny every time too especially if I was boating in the Irish sea where sea conditions can be a bit boisterous. Looks purposeful with a blue hull too
 
Coolest dudes or What.

Not so keen personally on the S23 / 25 and really dislike driving the S28, but they aren't bad boats with a simple design flaw........

Just imagine one of those on the Thames and you are trying to get it into a lock with 14 other boats and a nice gusting crosswind .. and .....only 6 locks to go through before your marina.
Thames boat steerers rule or what !
 
Kawasaki said:
Try and beg borrow or steal a 'test drive' on the two variations.
All our advice/experience and tips on here will help
Could even confuse:rolleyes:
A quick bash, oops no pun intended!:) will give you a far better Idea as to what will suit.
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Best advice yet. Handling, if in fact it is that difficult to handle (I have berthed mine no problem in 'awkward' conditions), has to be weighed against all of the other factors in running the boat. Economy, space, looks, flybridge (just love it, even tho never thought I would use it), and resale may all be more or less important to the individual. People put up with some fairly uncomfortable cars so that they can go fast.
 
Thought of something else that might suit...

The Rodman 1120:

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These have a superb reputation for sea keeping and are regarded as being pretty solid. Similar to the Benny but that little bit bigger. I am guessing your budget, but I found one in Ireland (not that far from Wales :)) which is on for under £100k and could probably be bought for close to £90k if that fits.

Lots of good things, shafts again and a hull which is probably a bit better than the Beneteau Antares to boot. A little rarer, but I reckon a decent option.

Link to the add here:

http://uk.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Rodman-1120-2247477/Ireland

(no connection to me, just looking for pictures and a bit of detail and thought it worth mentioning)

W.
 
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